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Aug 6, 2025
Join this live session with Magnus Mårtensson ft. Jennifer Ritzinger for the next episode of The Cloud Show with Magnus Mårtensson on August 21, at 01:05 PM (EST). The show is about cloud leadership and all the important questions relating to cloud projects. Certainly, many matters when a company is going to and wants to be successful in the cloud, are about technology. However, there are many additional matters, adjacent to technology, that we also need to tend to regarding business strategy, human resources, organizational change, planning for a technical cloud approach, and many more questions. These conversations are critical for a healthy cloud and for a swift and accurate cloud approach. GUEST SPEAKERS Jennifer Ritzinger is a seasoned professional at Microsoft, where she has spent over 25 years working in various roles, primarily in developer relations. She currently leads the Next Generation Experiences team, focusing on skilling the next generation of developers, overseeing regional advocacy in global markets, and managing Microsoft's technical events for IT professionals and developers. Jennifer has also been involved in Microsoft's Imagine Cup, a global technology competition that empowers students to innovate using technology? 📺 CSharp TV - Dev Streaming Destination http://csharp.tv 🌎 C# Corner - Community of Software and Data Developers https://www.c-sharpcorner.com #CSharpTV #csharpcorner #TheCloudShow #CSharp #Interview
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hello everyone and welcome to yet
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hello everyone and welcome to yet
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hello everyone and welcome to yet another episode of the cloud showing and
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another episode of the cloud showing and
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another episode of the cloud showing and I have something fun for us today a good
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I have something fun for us today a good
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I have something fun for us today a good treat at least in my book we're going to
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treat at least in my book we're going to
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treat at least in my book we're going to talk to a person who works at Microsoft
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talk to a person who works at Microsoft
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talk to a person who works at Microsoft who works high up in the organization
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who works high up in the organization
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who works high up in the organization with developer relations we're going to
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with developer relations we're going to
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with developer relations we're going to talk about what that is and what it's
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talk about what that is and what it's
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talk about what that is and what it's for and who benefits from this and why
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for and who benefits from this and why
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for and who benefits from this and why do we have something called devil and
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do we have something called devil and
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do we have something called devil and the person we're going to talk to today
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the person we're going to talk to today
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the person we're going to talk to today is the general manager of developer
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is the general manager of developer
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is the general manager of developer relations at Microsoft and her name is
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relations at Microsoft and her name is
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relations at Microsoft and her name is Jennifer
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Jennifer
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Jennifer [Music]
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ritzinger hello Jennifer hello Magnus
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ritzinger hello Jennifer hello Magnus
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ritzinger hello Jennifer hello Magnus good to see you it it's lovely to see
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good to see you it it's lovely to see
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good to see you it it's lovely to see you too welcome to the show Welcome to
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you too welcome to the show Welcome to
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you too welcome to the show Welcome to the cloud show thank you I've been
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the cloud show thank you I've been
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the cloud show thank you I've been waiting for my
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waiting for my
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waiting for my invitation I'm so happy to have you
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invitation I'm so happy to have you
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invitation I'm so happy to have you though I'm very happy to have you so um
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though I'm very happy to have you so um
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though I'm very happy to have you so um we we need to start like from the top
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we we need to start like from the top
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we we need to start like from the top basically like who are you you work in
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basically like who are you you work in
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basically like who are you you work in Microsoft and you're in your based out
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Microsoft and you're in your based out
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Microsoft and you're in your based out of Seattle and and and and what else
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of Seattle and and and and what else
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of Seattle and and and and what else like what's a general manager for
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like what's a general manager for
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like what's a general manager for developer
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developer
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developer relations okay uh I'll try and give you
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relations okay uh I'll try and give you
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relations okay uh I'll try and give you the too long don't read so I have been
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the too long don't read so I have been
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the too long don't read so I have been working at Microsoft this is my 27th
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working at Microsoft this is my 27th
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working at Microsoft this is my 27th year and um I love it here I absolutely
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year and um I love it here I absolutely
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year and um I love it here I absolutely love it it's one of the best companies
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love it it's one of the best companies
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love it it's one of the best companies in the world and it is so exciting I get
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in the world and it is so exciting I get
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in the world and it is so exciting I get the question all the time what keeps you
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the question all the time what keeps you
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the question all the time what keeps you at Microsoft for so long and it's
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at Microsoft for so long and it's
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at Microsoft for so long and it's because it's always something new and
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because it's always something new and
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because it's always something new and stimulating um and it's it's pretty
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stimulating um and it's it's pretty
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stimulating um and it's it's pretty thrilling but yes I am in our cloud and
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thrilling but yes I am in our cloud and
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thrilling but yes I am in our cloud and AI division that is under Scott Guth
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AI division that is under Scott Guth
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AI division that is under Scott Guth three um and then I'm in a group that is
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three um and then I'm in a group that is
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three um and then I'm in a group that is part it's called ecosystems and
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part it's called ecosystems and
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part it's called ecosystems and specifically um I am the co-leader of
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specifically um I am the co-leader of
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specifically um I am the co-leader of developer relations we have two one is
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developer relations we have two one is
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developer relations we have two one is over advocacy and I think you're going
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over advocacy and I think you're going
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over advocacy and I think you're going to have on a future show maybe Magnus
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to have on a future show maybe Magnus
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to have on a future show maybe Magnus Patrick shann is on leads all and I lead
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Patrick shann is on leads all and I lead
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Patrick shann is on leads all and I lead all of programs and together we're part
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all of programs and together we're part
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all of programs and together we're part of developer relations we're also in the
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of developer relations we're also in the
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of developer relations we're also in the same group that does all of our Skilling
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same group that does all of our Skilling
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same group that does all of our Skilling that is our Microsoft learn platform so
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that is our Microsoft learn platform so
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that is our Microsoft learn platform so all of our training and
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all of our training and
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all of our training and documentation we're also with the
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documentation we're also with the
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documentation we're also with the startup team so we're also thinking
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startup team so we're also thinking
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startup team so we're also thinking about new customers who are just
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about new customers who are just
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about new customers who are just beginning their Journey as well so that
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beginning their Journey as well so that
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beginning their Journey as well so that is the that we're in and then I can I
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is the that we're in and then I can I
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is the that we're in and then I can I can tell you all about Dev R because I
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can tell you all about Dev R because I
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can tell you all about Dev R because I basically have been in a a flavor of De
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basically have been in a a flavor of De
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basically have been in a a flavor of De developer relations almost my entire
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developer relations almost my entire
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developer relations almost my entire Microsoft career wow yeah okay that's
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Microsoft career wow yeah okay that's
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Microsoft career wow yeah okay that's great and and I think that's really um
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great and and I think that's really um
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great and and I think that's really um so this show again is for like people
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so this show again is for like people
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so this show again is for like people who work with Cloud projects and and
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who work with Cloud projects and and
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who work with Cloud projects and and maybe have a leadership position and
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maybe have a leadership position and
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maybe have a leadership position and then they're trying to figure things out
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then they're trying to figure things out
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then they're trying to figure things out with cloud and we're we're doing our
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with cloud and we're we're doing our
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with cloud and we're we're doing our best we're doing our bit to help with
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best we're doing our bit to help with
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best we're doing our bit to help with that and so why why would you want to
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that and so why why would you want to
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that and so why why would you want to have anything to do with developer
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have anything to do with developer
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have anything to do with developer relations what what is it that you but
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relations what what is it that you but
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relations what what is it that you but tell us about the programs that you run
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tell us about the programs that you run
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tell us about the programs that you run and things you just took the words right
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and things you just took the words right
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and things you just took the words right out of your of my mouth I mean we're
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out of your of my mouth I mean we're
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out of your of my mouth I mean we're here to help too um you know we are here
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here to help too um you know we are here
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here to help too um you know we are here in in my opinion what developer
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in in my opinion what developer
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in in my opinion what developer relations does is that we welcome we
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relations does is that we welcome we
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relations does is that we welcome we guide and we connect that we it's a lot
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guide and we connect that we it's a lot
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guide and we connect that we it's a lot to process it's a lot to synthesiz where
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to process it's a lot to synthesiz where
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to process it's a lot to synthesiz where do you get started you know where are
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do you get started you know where are
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do you get started you know where are you on that Spectrum you could be a
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you on that Spectrum you could be a
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you on that Spectrum you could be a student you could be a like you a
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student you could be a like you a
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student you could be a like you a professional developer that's been doing
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professional developer that's been doing
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professional developer that's been doing this for a long time you could be a
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this for a long time you could be a
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this for a long time you could be a startup founder um so you know there's
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startup founder um so you know there's
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startup founder um so you know there's different points of the journey and
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different points of the journey and
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different points of the journey and people need help and devell is all about
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people need help and devell is all about
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people need help and devell is all about the developer experience that's what we
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the developer experience that's what we
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the developer experience that's what we think about first that is our overall
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think about first that is our overall
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think about first that is our overall North Star and making sure that we
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North Star and making sure that we
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North Star and making sure that we improve that and at micros soft in
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improve that and at micros soft in
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improve that and at micros soft in particular were really about content
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particular were really about content
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particular were really about content community and product truth you know
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community and product truth you know
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community and product truth you know devell is really a major part of what we
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devell is really a major part of what we
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devell is really a major part of what we do for product Improvement and and
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do for product Improvement and and
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do for product Improvement and and Magnus you're part of it you know part
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Magnus you're part of it you know part
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Magnus you're part of it you know part of what I my team does is run programs
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of what I my team does is run programs
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of what I my team does is run programs such as the Microsoft MVP program the
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such as the Microsoft MVP program the
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such as the Microsoft MVP program the Microsoft Regional director program for
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Microsoft Regional director program for
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Microsoft Regional director program for younger people the student ambassador
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younger people the student ambassador
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younger people the student ambassador program and so this is working with
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program and so this is working with
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program and so this is working with influential people in the community all
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influential people in the community all
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influential people in the community all over the world
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over the world
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over the world um who are part of programs where they
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um who are part of programs where they
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um who are part of programs where they might be under NDA might be given a
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might be under NDA might be given a
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might be under NDA might be given a little bit more information about the
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little bit more information about the
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little bit more information about the road map and what's to come giving
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road map and what's to come giving
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road map and what's to come giving giving you you access to the product
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giving you you access to the product
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giving you you access to the product groups to the direct engineering to
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groups to the direct engineering to
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groups to the direct engineering to understand you know their Vision to get
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understand you know their Vision to get
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understand you know their Vision to get feedback about what's not working and
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feedback about what's not working and
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feedback about what's not working and what sucks and what's hard and what
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what sucks and what's hard and what
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what sucks and what's hard and what customers are experiencing in different
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customers are experiencing in different
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customers are experiencing in different vertical and different Industries so
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vertical and different Industries so
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vertical and different Industries so this is this is essentially what we do
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this is this is essentially what we do
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this is this is essentially what we do in Dev we have the Mantra at Microsoft
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in Dev we have the Mantra at Microsoft
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in Dev we have the Mantra at Microsoft of how do we help you know um we are
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of how do we help you know um we are
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of how do we help you know um we are part of the entire Journey but we're not
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part of the entire Journey but we're not
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part of the entire Journey but we're not sales and so you know I I you know
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sales and so you know I I you know
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sales and so you know I I you know that's important too obviously um but
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that's important too obviously um but
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that's important too obviously um but you know we're kind of more at the top
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you know we're kind of more at the top
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you know we're kind of more at the top of the finnal as how we think about
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of the finnal as how we think about
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of the finnal as how we think about developer relations we're really trying
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developer relations we're really trying
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developer relations we're really trying to like welcome guide and connect and
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to like welcome guide and connect and
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to like welcome guide and connect and send people seamlessly on on their
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send people seamlessly on on their
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send people seamlessly on on their Journey with happy paths sounds a little
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Journey with happy paths sounds a little
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Journey with happy paths sounds a little bit like you're like the you're like the
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bit like you're like the you're like the
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bit like you're like the you're like the the bloodstream of the Microsoft body
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the bloodstream of the Microsoft body
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the bloodstream of the Microsoft body like you like you wouldn't pump unless
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like you like you wouldn't pump unless
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like you like you wouldn't pump unless were there they would I like that take
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were there they would I like that take
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were there they would I like that take that's gross maybe I don't know I like
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that's gross maybe I don't know I like
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that's gross maybe I don't know I like that you know it's it's kind of true and
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that you know it's it's kind of true and
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that you know it's it's kind of true and what you're saying and that the other
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what you're saying and that the other
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what you're saying and that the other thing that is unique about devell at
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thing that is unique about devell at
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thing that is unique about devell at Microsoft is that we work across the
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Microsoft is that we work across the
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Microsoft is that we work across the entire product line and so that is true
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entire product line and so that is true
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entire product line and so that is true in terms of I like that I like that
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in terms of I like that I like that
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in terms of I like that I like that metaphor of the blood pumping throughout
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metaphor of the blood pumping throughout
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metaphor of the blood pumping throughout the body because in Deborah we think
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the body because in Deborah we think
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the body because in Deborah we think about every product we're not we're not
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about every product we're not we're not
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about every product we're not we're not in a product group tied to just one and
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in a product group tied to just one and
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in a product group tied to just one and we have to think about that customer
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we have to think about that customer
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we have to think about that customer experience because you know our
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experience because you know our
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experience because you know our customers are doing that integration
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customers are doing that integration
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customers are doing that integration across the stack as well and we have to
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across the stack as well and we have to
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across the stack as well and we have to think about those pain points exactly so
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think about those pain points exactly so
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think about those pain points exactly so that's another cool thing that I love
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that's another cool thing that I love
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that's another cool thing that I love about being in developer relations
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about being in developer relations
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about being in developer relations that's cool that's brilliant so so um so
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that's cool that's brilliant so so um so
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that's cool that's brilliant so so um so the major programs you mentioned the uh
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the major programs you mentioned the uh
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the major programs you mentioned the uh the uh expertise um if you will programs
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the uh expertise um if you will programs
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the uh expertise um if you will programs that starts with the with the young
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that starts with the with the young
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that starts with the with the young professionals the student ambassadors
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professionals the student ambassadors
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professionals the student ambassadors and and it it it it progresses to the
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and and it it it it progresses to the
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and and it it it it progresses to the the Mbps and so forth um as a as a
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the Mbps and so forth um as a as a
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the Mbps and so forth um as a as a person who runs a a company Maybe or has
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person who runs a a company Maybe or has
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person who runs a a company Maybe or has a team of developers or or or
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a team of developers or or or
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a team of developers or or or technicians of of various kinds with
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technicians of of various kinds with
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technicians of of various kinds with them um why would they why would they
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them um why would they why would they
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them um why would they why would they invest in uh people that want to have
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invest in uh people that want to have
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invest in uh people that want to have this this Edge expertise like I want to
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this this Edge expertise like I want to
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this this Edge expertise like I want to be recognized as an MVP I mean that that
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be recognized as an MVP I mean that that
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be recognized as an MVP I mean that that requires some commitment from the
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requires some commitment from the
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requires some commitment from the individual but also some tolerance I
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individual but also some tolerance I
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individual but also some tolerance I guess uh from the employer how do how
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guess uh from the employer how do how
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guess uh from the employer how do how does that work that's a great question I
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does that work that's a great question I
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does that work that's a great question I want to ask you the same question too
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want to ask you the same question too
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want to ask you the same question too since you are an MVP but here's here's
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since you are an MVP but here's here's
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since you are an MVP but here's here's my answer here's what I would say um and
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my answer here's what I would say um and
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my answer here's what I would say um and you're right we do have a high bar to be
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you're right we do have a high bar to be
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you're right we do have a high bar to be an MVP because we really want to make
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an MVP because we really want to make
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an MVP because we really want to make sure that you know if you're a Microsoft
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sure that you know if you're a Microsoft
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sure that you know if you're a Microsoft you know most valuable professional that
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you know most valuable professional that
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you know most valuable professional that means something and that means that you
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means something and that means that you
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means something and that means that you are an expert in that in that technology
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are an expert in that in that technology
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are an expert in that in that technology area and the reason why I think that a
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area and the reason why I think that a
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area and the reason why I think that a person would want to be an MVP and maybe
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person would want to be an MVP and maybe
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person would want to be an MVP and maybe an entity would want to you know employ
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an entity would want to you know employ
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an entity would want to you know employ or have a lot of Talent on staff that
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or have a lot of Talent on staff that
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or have a lot of Talent on staff that are MVPs is because they are experts
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are MVPs is because they are experts
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are MVPs is because they are experts they are truly they've proven them M
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they are truly they've proven them M
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they are truly they've proven them M themselves in a technology area or
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themselves in a technology area or
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themselves in a technology area or multiple technology areas they have gone
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multiple technology areas they have gone
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multiple technology areas they have gone deep they are known in the community
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deep they are known in the community
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deep they are known in the community they might be authors speakers trainers
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they might be authors speakers trainers
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they might be authors speakers trainers and it's you know to have that level of
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and it's you know to have that level of
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and it's you know to have that level of expertise you know frankly on your
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expertise you know frankly on your
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expertise you know frankly on your payroll also says that to a customer hey
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payroll also says that to a customer hey
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payroll also says that to a customer hey you can trust us we are embedded deeply
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you can trust us we are embedded deeply
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you can trust us we are embedded deeply with Microsoft we are in an NDA program
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with Microsoft we are in an NDA program
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with Microsoft we are in an NDA program where we have access to their product
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where we have access to their product
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where we have access to their product engineering and Redmond you know we have
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engineering and Redmond you know we have
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engineering and Redmond you know we have an annual Summit where we spend a week
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an annual Summit where we spend a week
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an annual Summit where we spend a week with hundreds of product groups group
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with hundreds of product groups group
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with hundreds of product groups group people and MVPs and regional directors
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people and MVPs and regional directors
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people and MVPs and regional directors where they just they just the Mind Mel
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where they just they just the Mind Mel
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where they just they just the Mind Mel just happens so we can talk about the
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just happens so we can talk about the
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just happens so we can talk about the next year we can talk about the roadmap
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next year we can talk about the roadmap
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next year we can talk about the roadmap we can talk about the product feedback
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we can talk about the product feedback
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we can talk about the product feedback we can talk about the pain points that
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we can talk about the pain points that
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we can talk about the pain points that the customers are experiencing this is
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the customers are experiencing this is
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the customers are experiencing this is why you want to work with an MVP because
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why you want to work with an MVP because
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why you want to work with an MVP because they know all this they understand it
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they know all this they understand it
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they know all this they understand it and they're early adopters you know I
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and they're early adopters you know I
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and they're early adopters you know I think they also understand kind they're
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think they also understand kind they're
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think they also understand kind they're bleeding edge so they kind of understand
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bleeding edge so they kind of understand
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bleeding edge so they kind of understand the pain points but then they can El
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the pain points but then they can El
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the pain points but then they can El also help you route accordingly because
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also help you route accordingly because
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also help you route accordingly because they've been living it themselves for a
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they've been living it themselves for a
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they've been living it themselves for a while but I got Magnus you got to answer
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while but I got Magnus you got to answer
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while but I got Magnus you got to answer the question you know what do you think
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the question you know what do you think
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the question you know what do you think is the why it's important to have an MVP
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is the why it's important to have an MVP
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is the why it's important to have an MVP be part of that conversation well that's
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be part of that conversation well that's
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be part of that conversation well that's an interesting question for me because I
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an interesting question for me because I
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an interesting question for me because I decided to strike out out on my own I'm
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decided to strike out out on my own I'm
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decided to strike out out on my own I'm an independent I I work for myself right
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an independent I I work for myself right
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an independent I I work for myself right I have my own company um I've found the
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I have my own company um I've found the
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I have my own company um I've found the reason I'm asking the question is that
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reason I'm asking the question is that
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reason I'm asking the question is that it's not uncommon that there is um you
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it's not uncommon that there is um you
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it's not uncommon that there is um you know a conversation discussion between
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know a conversation discussion between
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know a conversation discussion between the uh the employer and the employee who
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the uh the employer and the employee who
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the uh the employer and the employee who wants to be that expert um about the uh
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wants to be that expert um about the uh
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wants to be that expert um about the uh amount of of effort that goes into that
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amount of of effort that goes into that
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amount of of effort that goes into that the amount of time that this person
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the amount of time that this person
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the amount of time that this person spends and there's this like little pull
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spends and there's this like little pull
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spends and there's this like little pull between like how much how much time do
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between like how much how much time do
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between like how much how much time do you get which is work time to to engage
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you get which is work time to to engage
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you get which is work time to to engage in these things that we support you and
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in these things that we support you and
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in these things that we support you and and how much time should you like you
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and how much time should you like you
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and how much time should you like you should be doing this on your time not on
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should be doing this on your time not on
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should be doing this on your time not on company time you know but the company
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company time you know but the company
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company time you know but the company benefits from the expertise so it's it's
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benefits from the expertise so it's it's
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benefits from the expertise so it's it's what it's this balance that is it they
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what it's this balance that is it they
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what it's this balance that is it they can be challenging it can be but these
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can be challenging it can be but these
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can be challenging it can be but these people are so passionate I mean they're
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people are so passionate I mean they're
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people are so passionate I mean they're doing this regardless these are
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doing this regardless these are
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doing this regardless these are Community leaders regardless of the
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Community leaders regardless of the
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Community leaders regardless of the recognition they they just feel
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recognition they they just feel
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recognition they they just feel compelled to help again to me they
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compelled to help again to me they
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compelled to help again to me they extension of developer relations because
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extension of developer relations because
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extension of developer relations because they really want to help they're
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they really want to help they're
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they really want to help they're Educators they're people that are
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Educators they're people that are
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Educators they're people that are interested in working with the Next
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interested in working with the Next
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interested in working with the Next Generation you know they and they want
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Generation you know they and they want
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Generation you know they and they want to innovate too which is exciting so
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to innovate too which is exciting so
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to innovate too which is exciting so let's talk about the Next Generation a
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let's talk about the Next Generation a
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let's talk about the Next Generation a little bit here because I want to I want
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little bit here because I want to I want
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little bit here because I want to I want to make sure to also cover the like the
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to make sure to also cover the like the
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to make sure to also cover the like the what I like to call them nowadays the
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what I like to call them nowadays the
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what I like to call them nowadays the young professionals right they they they
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young professionals right they they they
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young professionals right they they they don't necessarily have the mileage yet
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don't necessarily have the mileage yet
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don't necessarily have the mileage yet they don't have the years uh but they
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they don't have the years uh but they
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they don't have the years uh but they may be super passionate and of course
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may be super passionate and of course
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may be super passionate and of course they oh my God are they they like you
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they oh my God are they they like you
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they oh my God are they they like you know powerful engaged like they are they
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know powerful engaged like they are they
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know powerful engaged like they are they have all the energy right all all the
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have all the energy right all all the
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have all the energy right all all the the capacity uh potential of greatness
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the capacity uh potential of greatness
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the capacity uh potential of greatness so working with the program of student
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so working with the program of student
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so working with the program of student ambassadors uh because I I I would I
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ambassadors uh because I I I would I
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ambassadors uh because I I I would I would think that this this speaks to uh
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would think that this this speaks to uh
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would think that this this speaks to uh the same challenge that a lot of of of
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the same challenge that a lot of of of
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the same challenge that a lot of of of the company leaders have that honestly
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the company leaders have that honestly
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the company leaders have that honestly if there are really true talents out
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if there are really true talents out
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if there are really true talents out there they already have a job right it's
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there they already have a job right it's
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there they already have a job right it's difficult to get them but but how can
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difficult to get them but but how can
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difficult to get them but but how can you also invest in getting new ones how
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you also invest in getting new ones how
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you also invest in getting new ones how do you do that what what what do you do
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do you do that what what what do you do
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do you do that what what what do you do yes so you know Microsoft has believed
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yes so you know Microsoft has believed
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yes so you know Microsoft has believed in students for a very long time we are
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in students for a very long time we are
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in students for a very long time we are actually a student founded company it
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actually a student founded company it
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actually a student founded company it was Bill Gates and Paul Allen who were
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was Bill Gates and Paul Allen who were
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was Bill Gates and Paul Allen who were college students and dropped out of
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college students and dropped out of
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college students and dropped out of University to F found Microsoft found
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University to F found Microsoft found
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University to F found Microsoft found Microsoft so you know it's in our blood
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Microsoft so you know it's in our blood
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Microsoft so you know it's in our blood and it's in our DNA so we do care about
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and it's in our DNA so we do care about
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and it's in our DNA so we do care about that gen and my team is lucky enough to
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that gen and my team is lucky enough to
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that gen and my team is lucky enough to have a whole Suite of programs focused
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have a whole Suite of programs focused
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have a whole Suite of programs focused on student
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on student
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on student developers um including the student
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developers um including the student
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developers um including the student ambassador program but also uh we have
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ambassador program but also uh we have
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ambassador program but also uh we have Azure for students which is getting you
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Azure for students which is getting you
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Azure for students which is getting you know the product on into the hands of
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know the product on into the hands of
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know the product on into the hands of students no credit card required and
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students no credit card required and
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students no credit card required and then we also have our annual technology
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then we also have our annual technology
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then we also have our annual technology competition the Imagine cup and this giv
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competition the Imagine cup and this giv
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competition the Imagine cup and this giv students yes and this giv students all
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students yes and this giv students all
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students yes and this giv students all over the world This Global platform
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over the world This Global platform
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over the world This Global platform because you're right they are innovating
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because you're right they are innovating
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because you're right they are innovating and the thing I love about working with
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and the thing I love about working with
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and the thing I love about working with students and young professionals as you
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students and young professionals as you
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students and young professionals as you say is that they're not as cynical
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say is that they're not as cynical
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say is that they're not as cynical they're not as jaded and so their
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they're not as jaded and so their
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they're not as jaded and so their Innovation doesn't have as many blockers
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Innovation doesn't have as many blockers
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Innovation doesn't have as many blockers they just see the possibilities and it's
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they just see the possibilities and it's
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they just see the possibilities and it's so exciting and the thing is is that
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so exciting and the thing is is that
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so exciting and the thing is is that they too like what a time to be a
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they too like what a time to be a
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they too like what a time to be a student I mean the ubiquity of
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student I mean the ubiquity of
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student I mean the ubiquity of information right chat chpt is the best
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information right chat chpt is the best
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information right chat chpt is the best tutor in the world and for me this is
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tutor in the world and for me this is
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tutor in the world and for me this is the great equalizer you know you know
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the great equalizer you know you know
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the great equalizer you know you know students in emerging countries no matter
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students in emerging countries no matter
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students in emerging countries no matter where you B are born you you now have
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where you B are born you you now have
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where you B are born you you now have access the same kind of access that
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access the same kind of access that
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access the same kind of access that people do who are lucky enough to be
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people do who are lucky enough to be
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people do who are lucky enough to be born in a more developed country and I
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born in a more developed country and I
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born in a more developed country and I think this is so important that we keep
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think this is so important that we keep
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think this is so important that we keep pushing that this is going to level the
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pushing that this is going to level the
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pushing that this is going to level the playing field for people so that
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playing field for people so that
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playing field for people so that Innovation can happen equally and fairly
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Innovation can happen equally and fairly
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Innovation can happen equally and fairly all over the world but I am so excited
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all over the world but I am so excited
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all over the world but I am so excited and we see such smart things coming I
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and we see such smart things coming I
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and we see such smart things coming I I'll send you I want everyone to go and
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I'll send you I want everyone to go and
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I'll send you I want everyone to go and look at the Innovations coming out of
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look at the Innovations coming out of
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look at the Innovations coming out of the Imagine cup these are real projects
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the Imagine cup these are real projects
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the Imagine cup these are real projects that are going to Market real companies
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that are going to Market real companies
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that are going to Market real companies that are being founded they're getting
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that are being founded they're getting
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that are being founded they're getting uh funding from feces it's so exciting
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uh funding from feces it's so exciting
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uh funding from feces it's so exciting so age doesn't matter the Innovation is
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so age doesn't matter the Innovation is
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so age doesn't matter the Innovation is there it it really is and and I I find
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there it it really is and and I I find
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there it it really is and and I I find it also uh quite rewarding to talk to
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it also uh quite rewarding to talk to
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it also uh quite rewarding to talk to the students and and work with them
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the students and and work with them
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the students and and work with them because they're so energetic and and
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because they're so energetic and and
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because they're so energetic and and passionate in a in a very pure way
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passionate in a in a very pure way
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passionate in a in a very pure way because like you said not jaded
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because like you said not jaded
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because like you said not jaded yet that's right that's right that's
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yet that's right that's right that's
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yet that's right that's right that's right it might happen but yeah
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right it might happen but yeah
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right it might happen but yeah eventually and diversity this this is so
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eventually and diversity this this is so
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eventually and diversity this this is so important that you know this next
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important that you know this next
12:28
important that you know this next generation see themselves in the field
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generation see themselves in the field
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generation see themselves in the field of engineering and computer science that
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of engineering and computer science that
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of engineering and computer science that you know everyone has a home here and
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you know everyone has a home here and
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you know everyone has a home here and has a safe space and that's really
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has a safe space and that's really
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has a safe space and that's really important that we Infuse that with in
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important that we Infuse that with in
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important that we Infuse that with in our work with students and at the
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our work with students and at the
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our work with students and at the University level
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University level
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University level too yeah yeah I know and I agree like
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too yeah yeah I know and I agree like
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too yeah yeah I know and I agree like and you were saying before that there's
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and you were saying before that there's
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and you were saying before that there's a high bar set for the the higher
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a high bar set for the the higher
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a high bar set for the the higher expertise sort of external levels like
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expertise sort of external levels like
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expertise sort of external levels like like MVPs they have to be really on the
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like MVPs they have to be really on the
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like MVPs they have to be really on the money they have to know exactly a lot of
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money they have to know exactly a lot of
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money they have to know exactly a lot of stuff about certain technology uh area a
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stuff about certain technology uh area a
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stuff about certain technology uh area a certain certain category of technology
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certain certain category of technology
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certain certain category of technology to to be considered an MVP um
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to to be considered an MVP um
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to to be considered an MVP um and the um when it comes from the
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and the um when it comes from the
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and the um when it comes from the perspective of the these young students
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perspective of the these young students
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perspective of the these young students uh now again
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uh now again
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uh now again um it must be extremely daunting to step
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um it must be extremely daunting to step
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um it must be extremely daunting to step up to the cloud now that it is so huge
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up to the cloud now that it is so huge
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up to the cloud now that it is so huge and all the AI services on top of the
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and all the AI services on top of the
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and all the AI services on top of the cloud and all the other services as well
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cloud and all the other services as well
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cloud and all the other services as well on top of hundreds of services I was
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on top of hundreds of services I was
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on top of hundreds of services I was there there when when when Microsoft
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there there when when when Microsoft
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there there when when when Microsoft announced Azure it's a bit it's a bit
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announced Azure it's a bit it's a bit
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announced Azure it's a bit it's a bit ago right it's been it's been around the
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ago right it's been it's been around the
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ago right it's been it's been around the block for a while and it was small by at
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block for a while and it was small by at
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block for a while and it was small by at that it was just a little speck of cloud
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that it was just a little speck of cloud
13:39
that it was just a little speck of cloud right but now it's like the whole sky is
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right but now it's like the whole sky is
13:41
right but now it's like the whole sky is covered with Cloud it's so much how do
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covered with Cloud it's so much how do
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covered with Cloud it's so much how do we even what do we do to let these kids
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we even what do we do to let these kids
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we even what do we do to let these kids you know kids I say that with love kids
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you know kids I say that with love kids
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you know kids I say that with love kids I know I wish I was one right how do we
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I know I wish I was one right how do we
13:52
I know I wish I was one right how do we do how do we get them in there like to
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do how do we get them in there like to
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do how do we get them in there like to understand and appreciate all of this
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understand and appreciate all of this
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understand and appreciate all of this you know for me it starts with access
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you know for me it starts with access
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you know for me it starts with access like we we've we've got to you know
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like we we've we've got to you know
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like we we've we've got to you know really pull down the barriers and making
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really pull down the barriers and making
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really pull down the barriers and making sure that all the countries and all over
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sure that all the countries and all over
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sure that all the countries and all over the world are really um you know getting
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the world are really um you know getting
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the world are really um you know getting their hands on it and so that's why it's
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their hands on it and so that's why it's
14:09
their hands on it and so that's why it's so important that you know my team
14:10
so important that you know my team
14:10
so important that you know my team curates free offers we don't require
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curates free offers we don't require
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curates free offers we don't require credit cards you know that is not a
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credit cards you know that is not a
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credit cards you know that is not a paradig that people have all over the
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paradig that people have all over the
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paradig that people have all over the world yes and so we make things as free
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world yes and so we make things as free
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world yes and so we make things as free as possible as you know seamless as
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as possible as you know seamless as
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as possible as you know seamless as possible for students to get access to
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possible for students to get access to
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possible for students to get access to and I think it's also part of you know
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and I think it's also part of you know
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and I think it's also part of you know helping Ed you know education you know I
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helping Ed you know education you know I
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helping Ed you know education you know I I think the um the industry the business
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I think the um the industry the business
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I think the um the industry the business of education has had a response to like
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of education has had a response to like
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of education has had a response to like chat CPT as if you know is this going to
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chat CPT as if you know is this going to
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chat CPT as if you know is this going to like lead to cheating and plagiarism and
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like lead to cheating and plagiarism and
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like lead to cheating and plagiarism and things like that you know um but I I
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things like that you know um but I I
14:39
things like that you know um but I I would ask other questions what what what
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would ask other questions what what what
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would ask other questions what what what what Innovations will it lead to you
14:43
what Innovations will it lead to you
14:43
what Innovations will it lead to you know what can we Outsource that's lower
14:45
know what can we Outsource that's lower
14:45
know what can we Outsource that's lower level tasks that will free up more mind
14:48
level tasks that will free up more mind
14:48
level tasks that will free up more mind space from the humans that is more
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space from the humans that is more
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space from the humans that is more creative and more Innovative what
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creative and more Innovative what
14:52
creative and more Innovative what barriers can we break so I think we
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barriers can we break so I think we
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barriers can we break so I think we actually have to change the conversation
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actually have to change the conversation
14:55
actually have to change the conversation and be asking different questions about
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and be asking different questions about
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and be asking different questions about what this will open up
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what this will open up
15:00
what this will open up um but I think some of that you know for
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um but I think some of that you know for
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um but I think some of that you know for the people who are not are not in
15:03
the people who are not are not in
15:03
the people who are not are not in technology who maybe aren't as familiar
15:05
technology who maybe aren't as familiar
15:05
technology who maybe aren't as familiar with AI as you and I have been you know
15:08
with AI as you and I have been you know
15:08
with AI as you and I have been you know this is not new AI is not new you and I
15:10
this is not new AI is not new you and I
15:10
this is not new AI is not new you and I know AI has been around years and years
15:11
know AI has been around years and years
15:11
know AI has been around years and years and years but to your point becomes
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and years but to your point becomes
15:14
and years but to your point becomes ubiquitous and then everyone understands
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ubiquitous and then everyone understands
15:16
ubiquitous and then everyone understands it and I think it's you know a
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it and I think it's you know a
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it and I think it's you know a responsibility of people like us to help
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responsibility of people like us to help
15:20
responsibility of people like us to help you know citizens the average citizen
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you know citizens the average citizen
15:23
you know citizens the average citizen understand better so they're not afraid
15:24
understand better so they're not afraid
15:24
understand better so they're not afraid they're not scared but they're excited
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they're not scared but they're excited
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they're not scared but they're excited and they're seizing the opportunity I I
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and they're seizing the opportunity I I
15:28
and they're seizing the opportunity I I feel like this is part of our job and
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feel like this is part of our job and
15:30
feel like this is part of our job and and frankly part of you know the job of
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and frankly part of you know the job of
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and frankly part of you know the job of developer relations too ah definitely I
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developer relations too ah definitely I
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developer relations too ah definitely I I I fully agree with that it's it's a
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I I fully agree with that it's it's a
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I I fully agree with that it's it's a big job but it it is it's a fascinating
15:39
big job but it it is it's a fascinating
15:39
big job but it it is it's a fascinating it's it's fun I agree I I I'm beginning
15:41
it's it's fun I agree I I I'm beginning
15:41
it's it's fun I agree I I I'm beginning to see now why you have stayed with this
15:44
to see now why you have stayed with this
15:44
to see now why you have stayed with this you know stuck to your guns and
15:45
you know stuck to your guns and
15:45
you know stuck to your guns and Microsoft and done this for a while
15:46
Microsoft and done this for a while
15:46
Microsoft and done this for a while because it is there is a lot of
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because it is there is a lot of
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because it is there is a lot of excitement here um speaking of different
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excitement here um speaking of different
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excitement here um speaking of different program Magnus you mentioned when we
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program Magnus you mentioned when we
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program Magnus you mentioned when we first announced Azure so that was back
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first announced Azure so that was back
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first announced Azure so that was back in the day at what we call the
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in the day at what we call the
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in the day at what we call the professional developers conference PDC I
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professional developers conference PDC I
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professional developers conference PDC I was in the audience and I used to manage
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was in the audience and I used to manage
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was in the audience and I used to manage and Lead PDC at Microsoft became yes it
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and Lead PDC at Microsoft became yes it
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and Lead PDC at Microsoft became yes it then became build which is now our
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then became build which is now our
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then became build which is now our annual developer conference um which I
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annual developer conference um which I
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annual developer conference um which I also managed and led the first few
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also managed and led the first few
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also managed and led the first few builds so so I was I was there in the
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builds so so I was I was there in the
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builds so so I was I was there in the audience when when Ray Aussie uh who who
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audience when when Ray Aussie uh who who
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audience when when Ray Aussie uh who who was the the the CTO of Microsoft at that
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was the the the CTO of Microsoft at that
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was the the the CTO of Microsoft at that point uh he he he was on stage like this
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point uh he he he was on stage like this
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point uh he he he was on stage like this and he said like announcing Windows
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and he said like announcing Windows
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and he said like announcing Windows Asher basically just like he just like
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Asher basically just like he just like
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Asher basically just like he just like and everyone was like the what now the
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and everyone was like the what now the
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and everyone was like the what now the the the I don't know what is he talking
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the the I don't know what is he talking
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the the I don't know what is he talking about Azure but it was fun it it's good
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about Azure but it was fun it it's good
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about Azure but it was fun it it's good and then and the rest is history I guess
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and then and the rest is history I guess
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and then and the rest is history I guess the rest is history and the PDC and
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the rest is history and the PDC and
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the rest is history and the PDC and build have always been about like what
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build have always been about like what
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build have always been about like what is the future what is the vision like
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is the future what is the vision like
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is the future what is the vision like what are what is the road map kind of
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what are what is the road map kind of
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what are what is the road map kind of thing so it's always an exciting thing
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thing so it's always an exciting thing
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thing so it's always an exciting thing but I've always been in that developer
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but I've always been in that developer
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but I've always been in that developer space working with people for you know
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space working with people for you know
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space working with people for you know for a very long time
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for a very long time
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for a very long time developers um and really my job is to
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developers um and really my job is to
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developers um and really my job is to help develop velers do their thing help
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help develop velers do their thing help
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help develop velers do their thing help them be engineers and great innovators
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them be engineers and great innovators
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them be engineers and great innovators you know on the program side whether
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you know on the program side whether
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you know on the program side whether it's through the reactors which you
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it's through the reactors which you
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it's through the reactors which you might we have reactors all over the
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might we have reactors all over the
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might we have reactors all over the world there are free spaces that anyone
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world there are free spaces that anyone
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world there are free spaces that anyone can use user groups whomever please come
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can use user groups whomever please come
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can use user groups whomever please come and have community at a Microsoft
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and have community at a Microsoft
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and have community at a Microsoft reactor or what we do through the
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reactor or what we do through the
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reactor or what we do through the studios that I lead all of our video and
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studios that I lead all of our video and
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studios that I lead all of our video and media work I mean this is all about
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media work I mean this is all about
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media work I mean this is all about setting up and enabling you know
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setting up and enabling you know
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setting up and enabling you know education and inspiration and various
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education and inspiration and various
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education and inspiration and various physical physical locations so the
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physical physical locations so the
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physical physical locations so the reactors how many
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reactors how many
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reactors how many reactors are there we have 10 all over
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reactors are there we have 10 all over
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reactors are there we have 10 all over the world but we also of course you know
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the world but we also of course you know
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the world but we also of course you know we're online and virtual as well so you
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we're online and virtual as well so you
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we're online and virtual as well so you don't have to live near a reactor in one
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don't have to live near a reactor in one
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don't have to live near a reactor in one of the Cities but you can partake in the
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of the Cities but you can partake in the
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of the Cities but you can partake in the programming online as well and so the
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programming online as well and so the
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programming online as well and so the whole point is that we have all sorts of
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whole point is that we have all sorts of
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whole point is that we have all sorts of content on all sorts of topics at all
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content on all sorts of topics at all
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content on all sorts of topics at all sorts of levels that you can either live
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sorts of levels that you can either live
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sorts of levels that you can either live in person or online or at a little
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in person or online or at a little
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in person or online or at a little conference like for 10 people like at a
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conference like for 10 people like at a
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conference like for 10 people like at a reactor or a huge conference like Bill
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reactor or a huge conference like Bill
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reactor or a huge conference like Bill for thousands you know you can join the
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for thousands you know you can join the
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for thousands you know you can join the community and be part of the
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community and be part of the
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community and be part of the conversation fantastic I love that
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conversation fantastic I love that
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conversation fantastic I love that that's actually a really really good way
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that's actually a really really good way
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that's actually a really really good way to to close this excellent conversation
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to to close this excellent conversation
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to to close this excellent conversation I love talking to you today I appreciate
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I love talking to you today I appreciate
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I love talking to you today I appreciate so much that you came on the show to
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so much that you came on the show to
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so much that you came on the show to tell us what deel is about and and why
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tell us what deel is about and and why
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tell us what deel is about and and why it should matter to to companies and and
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it should matter to to companies and and
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it should matter to to companies and and people thank you for having me it's so
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people thank you for having me it's so
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people thank you for having me it's so great talking to you absolutely so thank
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great talking to you absolutely so thank
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great talking to you absolutely so thank you uh everyone for for watching as well
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you uh everyone for for watching as well
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you uh everyone for for watching as well and I'll see you guys next time on the
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and I'll see you guys next time on the
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and I'll see you guys next time on the cloud show Cheers
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cloud show Cheers
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cloud show Cheers [Music]