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Rockin’ The Code World with dotNetDave ft. Khalid Abuhakmeh - Ep. 105
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Aug 6, 2025
Join us on August 3 with David McCarter & Khalid Abuhakmeh for the next episode of Rockin' The Code World with dotNetDave - a weekly show to learn & live Q&A focused on .NET and other programming technologies. AGENDA • Htmx • JetBrains Rider • ReSharper 20th anniversary • Community/Knowledge Sharing • C# 13 features • Technology stacks (2024 recommendations) • .NET 4.8 vs .NET 9 GUEST SPEAKER Khalid has been working with .NET since the beginning and has spent most of his career working with ASP.NET. Recently, he has been at JetBrains as a .NET Developer Advocate for ReSharper, Rider, and the dotUltimate line of products. He also helps in other technology ecosystems such as JavaScript, Rust, and Java. 📺 CSharp TV - Dev Streaming Destination http://csharp.tv 🌎 C# Corner - Community of Software and Data Developers
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[Applause] welcome Geeks to another exciting
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welcome Geeks to another exciting
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welcome Geeks to another exciting episode of rock on the cold world with
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episode of rock on the cold world with
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episode of rock on the cold world with Donna Dave I'm David mcarter I'm glad
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Donna Dave I'm David mcarter I'm glad
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Donna Dave I'm David mcarter I'm glad you're back we've been off for a month
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you're back we've been off for a month
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you're back we've been off for a month I'm glad I'm doing the show again I
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I'm glad I'm doing the show again I
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I'm glad I'm doing the show again I always look forward to these shows
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always look forward to these shows
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always look forward to these shows especially when I have a awesome guest
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especially when I have a awesome guest
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especially when I have a awesome guest on like uh today well every every uh
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on like uh today well every every uh
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on like uh today well every every uh show is got awesome guests but I'm
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show is got awesome guests but I'm
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show is got awesome guests but I'm particularly looking forward to the one
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particularly looking forward to the one
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particularly looking forward to the one today so um oh I wanted to before Simon
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today so um oh I wanted to before Simon
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today so um oh I wanted to before Simon moves off me I I've been cleaning I've
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moves off me I I've been cleaning I've
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moves off me I I've been cleaning I've been doing some summer cleaning and I've
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been doing some summer cleaning and I've
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been doing some summer cleaning and I've been cleaning out my attic and look I
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been cleaning out my attic and look I
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been cleaning out my attic and look I found a
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found a
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found a vb5 t-shirt from uh 97 vits conference
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vb5 t-shirt from uh 97 vits conference
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vb5 t-shirt from uh 97 vits conference that I attended uh I don't think I've
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that I attended uh I don't think I've
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that I attended uh I don't think I've seen this t-shirt in 25 years and so uh
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seen this t-shirt in 25 years and so uh
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seen this t-shirt in 25 years and so uh I can't believe I keep these things this
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I can't believe I keep these things this
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I can't believe I keep these things this long but anyway um let's talk about the
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long but anyway um let's talk about the
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long but anyway um let's talk about the show Simon
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show Simon
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show Simon there we go so my my special guest today
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there we go so my my special guest today
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there we go so my my special guest today is khed from jet brains developer uh
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is khed from jet brains developer uh
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is khed from jet brains developer uh advocate so um if you have a jet brains
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advocate so um if you have a jet brains
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advocate so um if you have a jet brains questions or asp.net or anything like
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questions or asp.net or anything like
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questions or asp.net or anything like that make sure you start uh putting your
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that make sure you start uh putting your
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that make sure you start uh putting your questions in right now while we have
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questions in right now while we have
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questions in right now while we have them on on the line so uh we can get
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them on on the line so uh we can get
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them on on the line so uh we can get your questions answered uh we were
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your questions answered uh we were
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your questions answered uh we were having a lively discussion before the
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having a lively discussion before the
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having a lively discussion before the show started so I'm sure this is going
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show started so I'm sure this is going
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show started so I'm sure this is going to be uh another great discussion with
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to be uh another great discussion with
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to be uh another great discussion with khed um so let's get going because I
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khed um so let's get going because I
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khed um so let's get going because I want to leave as much time as possible
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want to leave as much time as possible
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want to leave as much time as possible for him um just make sure I'm touching
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for him um just make sure I'm touching
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for him um just make sure I'm touching the right thing oh yeah let's talk uh
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the right thing oh yeah let's talk uh
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the right thing oh yeah let's talk uh let's that's Tech news did I miss the
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let's that's Tech news did I miss the
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let's that's Tech news did I miss the tech
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news H I did something wrong maybe it's
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news H I did something wrong maybe it's
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news H I did something wrong maybe it's coming up anyway I wanted to uh promote
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coming up anyway I wanted to uh promote
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coming up anyway I wanted to uh promote uh the season 4 finale which will be on
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uh the season 4 finale which will be on
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uh the season 4 finale which will be on September 7th um you know uh I'm uh
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September 7th um you know uh I'm uh
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September 7th um you know uh I'm uh putting together a panel of uh myself
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putting together a panel of uh myself
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putting together a panel of uh myself and five other um experienced software
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and five other um experienced software
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and five other um experienced software Engineers that been around as long as I
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Engineers that been around as long as I
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Engineers that been around as long as I have if not longer uh to talk about how
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have if not longer uh to talk about how
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have if not longer uh to talk about how to navigate uh your career in the later
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to navigate uh your career in the later
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to navigate uh your career in the later start uh stages of uh your career and uh
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start uh stages of uh your career and uh
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start uh stages of uh your career and uh because I've you know this past year
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because I've you know this past year
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because I've you know this past year I've been going through a tough time um
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I've been going through a tough time um
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I've been going through a tough time um and you know I just never you know I I
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and you know I just never you know I I
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and you know I just never you know I I never thought at this point in my career
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never thought at this point in my career
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never thought at this point in my career it would be this hard uh to keep it
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it would be this hard uh to keep it
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it would be this hard uh to keep it going and uh you know I could definitely
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going and uh you know I could definitely
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going and uh you know I could definitely say I have an article coming out uh
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say I have an article coming out uh
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say I have an article coming out uh right before this show uh where I'll be
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right before this show uh where I'll be
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right before this show uh where I'll be talking about this but I can definitely
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talking about this but I can definitely
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talking about this but I can definitely say that the first 15 years of my career
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say that the first 15 years of my career
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say that the first 15 years of my career were a lot easier than my last 15 years
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were a lot easier than my last 15 years
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were a lot easier than my last 15 years and so um I wanted to gather a group of
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and so um I wanted to gather a group of
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and so um I wanted to gather a group of uh people uh who have been around the
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uh people uh who have been around the
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uh people uh who have been around the block per se and uh talk about all the
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block per se and uh talk about all the
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block per se and uh talk about all the advice we would give to younger
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advice we would give to younger
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advice we would give to younger Developers
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Developers
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Developers to prepare to where we are now um and
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to prepare to where we are now um and
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to prepare to where we are now um and one of the main reasons is you know when
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one of the main reasons is you know when
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one of the main reasons is you know when I when I started software engineering
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I when I started software engineering
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I when I started software engineering there there I didn't read there I didn't
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there there I didn't read there I didn't
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there there I didn't read there I didn't hear about any of this kind of stuff
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hear about any of this kind of stuff
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hear about any of this kind of stuff like you know what are you going to be
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like you know what are you going to be
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like you know what are you going to be doing in a career 30 years from now and
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doing in a career 30 years from now and
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doing in a career 30 years from now and how do you prepare for that never saw
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how do you prepare for that never saw
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how do you prepare for that never saw anything I only read one thing about
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anything I only read one thing about
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anything I only read one thing about salaries uh which I talk about in the
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salaries uh which I talk about in the
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salaries uh which I talk about in the article but that is literally it and so
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article but that is literally it and so
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article but that is literally it and so because of that I
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because of that I
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because of that I I
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I
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I haven't you know I'll admit that you
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haven't you know I'll admit that you
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haven't you know I'll admit that you know I didn't prepare uh like I should
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know I didn't prepare uh like I should
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know I didn't prepare uh like I should have and so um so I have a lot of advice
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have and so um so I have a lot of advice
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have and so um so I have a lot of advice to give uh on things that uh I should
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to give uh on things that uh I should
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to give uh on things that uh I should have done better and I'm sure uh these
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have done better and I'm sure uh these
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have done better and I'm sure uh these other people who like I said have been
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other people who like I said have been
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other people who like I said have been around as long as I have if not longer
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around as long as I have if not longer
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around as long as I have if not longer will have a lot of great advice to uh
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will have a lot of great advice to uh
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will have a lot of great advice to uh share because I want younger developers
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share because I want younger developers
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share because I want younger developers to have a you know when they when they
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to have a you know when they when they
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to have a you know when they when they hit 30 years in his career I want them
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hit 30 years in his career I want them
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hit 30 years in his career I want them to still be really enjoying their career
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to still be really enjoying their career
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to still be really enjoying their career and having fun and you know working on
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and having fun and you know working on
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and having fun and you know working on fun projects and so I hope you will join
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fun projects and so I hope you will join
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fun projects and so I hope you will join us live for that show it's going to be
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us live for that show it's going to be
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us live for that show it's going to be an extended hour and a half show uh
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an extended hour and a half show uh
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an extended hour and a half show uh where you can ask your questions to all
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where you can ask your questions to all
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where you can ask your questions to all of us especially my panel and uh so mark
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of us especially my panel and uh so mark
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of us especially my panel and uh so mark your calendars now go to the blog page
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your calendars now go to the blog page
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your calendars now go to the blog page uh the the link is right there and uh
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uh the the link is right there and uh
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uh the the link is right there and uh make sure you join us uh for season 4
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make sure you join us uh for season 4
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make sure you join us uh for season 4 finale it's going to be a big one so uh
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finale it's going to be a big one so uh
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finale it's going to be a big one so uh I I can't wait I've been looking forward
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I I can't wait I've been looking forward
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I I can't wait I've been looking forward to this show since I dreamt it up
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to this show since I dreamt it up
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to this show since I dreamt it up earlier this year so all right let's
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earlier this year so all right let's
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earlier this year so all right let's talk about the elephant in the room what
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talk about the elephant in the room what
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talk about the elephant in the room what happened what a week or so ago uh the
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happened what a week or so ago uh the
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happened what a week or so ago uh the crowd strike uh that uh hit the world
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crowd strike uh that uh hit the world
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crowd strike uh that uh hit the world and basically brought down part of the
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and basically brought down part of the
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and basically brought down part of the entire world uh it's pretty amazing how
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entire world uh it's pretty amazing how
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entire world uh it's pretty amazing how just one little line of code can or
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just one little line of code can or
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just one little line of code can or actually a line in a file can just
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actually a line in a file can just
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actually a line in a file can just really mess things up and so um I have
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really mess things up and so um I have
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really mess things up and so um I have an article coming out in a couple weeks
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an article coming out in a couple weeks
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an article coming out in a couple weeks where I do mention uh a crowd strike
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where I do mention uh a crowd strike
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where I do mention uh a crowd strike because of just just how devastating
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because of just just how devastating
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because of just just how devastating that was you know not only to uh the uh
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that was you know not only to uh the uh
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that was you know not only to uh the uh companies uh involved like a crowd
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companies uh involved like a crowd
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companies uh involved like a crowd strike in Microsoft but you know I would
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strike in Microsoft but you know I would
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strike in Microsoft but you know I would definitely say you know there probably
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definitely say you know there probably
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definitely say you know there probably you know this outage probably cost
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you know this outage probably cost
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you know this outage probably cost billions of dollars in Lost revenue and
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billions of dollars in Lost revenue and
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billions of dollars in Lost revenue and uh and and it kind of prove my point is
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uh and and it kind of prove my point is
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uh and and it kind of prove my point is that you know Delta uh which was
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that you know Delta uh which was
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that you know Delta uh which was affected for a week here in in America
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affected for a week here in in America
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affected for a week here in in America is now suing a crowd strike in Microsoft
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is now suing a crowd strike in Microsoft
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is now suing a crowd strike in Microsoft for 500 million because that's how much
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for 500 million because that's how much
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for 500 million because that's how much they said they lost uh during that week
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they said they lost uh during that week
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they said they lost uh during that week and so anyway uh I could talk about this
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and so anyway uh I could talk about this
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and so anyway uh I could talk about this a lot but you know we're not going to
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a lot but you know we're not going to
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a lot but you know we're not going to talk about it uh that's not what this
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talk about it uh that's not what this
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talk about it uh that's not what this show is about today so but um you know
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show is about today so but um you know
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show is about today so but um you know the only thing I want to say about it is
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the only thing I want to say about it is
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the only thing I want to say about it is make sure you have really good QA team
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make sure you have really good QA team
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make sure you have really good QA team and you never never ever pass things
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and you never never ever pass things
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and you never never ever pass things unless it goes through your entire QA
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unless it goes through your entire QA
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unless it goes through your entire QA cycle and is tested before you release
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cycle and is tested before you release
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cycle and is tested before you release it oh and the other thing don't push
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it oh and the other thing don't push
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it oh and the other thing don't push releases on Fridays come on I've known
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releases on Fridays come on I've known
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releases on Fridays come on I've known this forever don't do that you know my
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this forever don't do that you know my
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this forever don't do that you know my rule if I ran a software team is no
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rule if I ran a software team is no
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rule if I ran a software team is no pushing uh update major updates on
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pushing uh update major updates on
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pushing uh update major updates on Fridays or Mondays just bad days to do
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Fridays or Mondays just bad days to do
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Fridays or Mondays just bad days to do it so uh hopefully crowd strike uh oh
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it so uh hopefully crowd strike uh oh
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it so uh hopefully crowd strike uh oh and their stock just like plummeted it I
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and their stock just like plummeted it I
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and their stock just like plummeted it I was I've been watching it
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was I've been watching it
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was I've been watching it so um I want to promote my uh code
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so um I want to promote my uh code
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so um I want to promote my uh code performance book it's it's been uh out
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performance book it's it's been uh out
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performance book it's it's been uh out for what three months or so now um it's
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for what three months or so now um it's
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for what three months or so now um it's got tons of information in there it's
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got tons of information in there it's
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got tons of information in there it's that it's I learned a lot writing this
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that it's I learned a lot writing this
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that it's I learned a lot writing this book and uh so if I learned a lot I'm
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book and uh so if I learned a lot I'm
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book and uh so if I learned a lot I'm sure you will too I continuously uh keep
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sure you will too I continuously uh keep
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sure you will too I continuously uh keep working on performance actually I was
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working on performance actually I was
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working on performance actually I was working on some performance benchmarks
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working on some performance benchmarks
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working on some performance benchmarks last night and so I I'm going to be uh I
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last night and so I I'm going to be uh I
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last night and so I I'm going to be uh I think the next article I'm going to
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think the next article I'm going to
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think the next article I'm going to write is about performance when using uh
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write is about performance when using uh
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write is about performance when using uh the task parallel library and uh I think
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the task parallel library and uh I think
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the task parallel library and uh I think you're really going to be surprised on
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you're really going to be surprised on
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you're really going to be surprised on some of the things I show you in that
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some of the things I show you in that
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some of the things I show you in that article I was uh looking at the data
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article I was uh looking at the data
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article I was uh looking at the data this morning so I hope you go get a copy
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this morning so I hope you go get a copy
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this morning so I hope you go get a copy of my book I I need your support right
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of my book I I need your support right
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of my book I I need your support right now uh and so uh I hope you go buy a
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now uh and so uh I hope you go buy a
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now uh and so uh I hope you go buy a copy of uh that book
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copy of uh that book
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copy of uh that book also August 1st I did a major release of
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also August 1st I did a major release of
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also August 1st I did a major release of my sparton project um I I'll talk about
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my sparton project um I I'll talk about
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my sparton project um I I'll talk about this in a in another slide or so uh but
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this in a in another slide or so uh but
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this in a in another slide or so uh but this uh I did a lot of work uh in the
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this uh I did a lot of work uh in the
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this uh I did a lot of work uh in the last three months on sparin uh not only
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last three months on sparin uh not only
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last three months on sparin uh not only making uh the documentation a heck of a
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making uh the documentation a heck of a
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making uh the documentation a heck of a lot better than it was but also uh
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lot better than it was but also uh
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lot better than it was but also uh making the performance a lot better and
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making the performance a lot better and
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making the performance a lot better and uh I was able to uh get uh one I I have
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uh I was able to uh get uh one I I have
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uh I was able to uh get uh one I I have a lot of methods that increased in
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a lot of methods that increased in
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a lot of methods that increased in performance it's already up on my blog
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performance it's already up on my blog
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performance it's already up on my blog site and one even over 1300 times faster
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site and one even over 1300 times faster
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site and one even over 1300 times faster than it was in the previous version so I
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than it was in the previous version so I
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than it was in the previous version so I hope you go pick that up along with that
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hope you go pick that up along with that
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hope you go pick that up along with that I also up updated my sparen Dev tool and
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I also up updated my sparen Dev tool and
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I also up updated my sparen Dev tool and it's even faster because it uses spon
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it's even faster because it uses spon
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it's even faster because it uses spon and so it's a lightning fast now it's
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and so it's a lightning fast now it's
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and so it's a lightning fast now it's I'm I'm really impressed with it so um I
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I'm I'm really impressed with it so um I
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I'm I'm really impressed with it so um I hope you go pick up uh we go check out
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hope you go pick up uh we go check out
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hope you go pick up uh we go check out those two things um just go toet uh tips
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those two things um just go toet uh tips
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those two things um just go toet uh tips or go Spar in.net and you can learn
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or go Spar in.net and you can learn
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or go Spar in.net and you can learn about all
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about all
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about all that and speaking of that my new article
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that and speaking of that my new article
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that and speaking of that my new article is called uh boosting performance with
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is called uh boosting performance with
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is called uh boosting performance with co-pilot SL commands unleashing new
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co-pilot SL commands unleashing new
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co-pilot SL commands unleashing new speed and sparent so basically all the
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speed and sparent so basically all the
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speed and sparent so basically all the stuff I've been doing the last three
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stuff I've been doing the last three
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stuff I've been doing the last three months to speed up
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months to speed up
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months to speed up spon I've uh put in this article so if
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spon I've uh put in this article so if
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spon I've uh put in this article so if you want to see exactly how I use
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you want to see exactly how I use
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you want to see exactly how I use co-pilot and AI to improve the
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co-pilot and AI to improve the
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co-pilot and AI to improve the performance of spon um please go read
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performance of spon um please go read
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performance of spon um please go read that article because it's it's all
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that article because it's it's all
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that article because it's it's all detailed there and so I hope you'll
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detailed there and so I hope you'll
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detailed there and so I hope you'll learn something from that and um and
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learn something from that and um and
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learn something from that and um and start and get co-pilot and start using
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start and get co-pilot and start using
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start and get co-pilot and start using co-pilot I I use co-pilot every time I
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co-pilot I I use co-pilot every time I
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co-pilot I I use co-pilot every time I use visual studio now that's how much uh
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use visual studio now that's how much uh
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use visual studio now that's how much uh uh I rely on it or become addicted to it
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uh I rely on it or become addicted to it
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uh I rely on it or become addicted to it and uh it's got a long way to go before
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and uh it's got a long way to go before
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and uh it's got a long way to go before it's perfect believe me but uh it it is
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it's perfect believe me but uh it it is
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it's perfect believe me but uh it it is helping me do a lot of improvements um
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helping me do a lot of improvements um
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helping me do a lot of improvements um so and I'm sure it will for you
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so and I'm sure it will for you
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so and I'm sure it will for you too all right the interview khed has
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too all right the interview khed has
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too all right the interview khed has been working with doet since the
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been working with doet since the
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been working with doet since the beginning and spent most of his career
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beginning and spent most of his career
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beginning and spent most of his career working with asp.net recently has been
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working with asp.net recently has been
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working with asp.net recently has been uh at jetbrains as AET developer
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uh at jetbrains as AET developer
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uh at jetbrains as AET developer advocate for resharper Rider and
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advocate for resharper Rider and
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advocate for resharper Rider and ultimate line of products he also helps
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ultimate line of products he also helps
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ultimate line of products he also helps uh in other technology ecosystems as uh
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uh in other technology ecosystems as uh
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uh in other technology ecosystems as uh such as JavaScript Russ and Java uh
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such as JavaScript Russ and Java uh
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such as JavaScript Russ and Java uh welcome
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hey David uh thanks for having me sure
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hey David uh thanks for having me sure
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hey David uh thanks for having me sure dude I hearing 1300 times performance
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dude I hearing 1300 times performance
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dude I hearing 1300 times performance Improvement uh we got to talk about that
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Improvement uh we got to talk about that
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Improvement uh we got to talk about that yeah today yeah yeah yeah it's uh it's
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yeah today yeah yeah yeah it's uh it's
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yeah today yeah yeah yeah it's uh it's it it was pretty amazing to me because
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it it was pretty amazing to me because
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it it was pretty amazing to me because you know I figured you know using Cod
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you know I figured you know using Cod
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you know I figured you know using Cod pilot because you know I do try to write
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pilot because you know I do try to write
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pilot because you know I do try to write everything as performant as I I can or
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everything as performant as I I can or
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everything as performant as I I can or or know about right and so I thought
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or know about right and so I thought
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or know about right and so I thought sparton was pretty good and and it was
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sparton was pretty good and and it was
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sparton was pretty good and and it was but you know
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but you know
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but you know uh using cold pilot uncovered some few
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uh using cold pilot uncovered some few
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uh using cold pilot uncovered some few little tricks and and I'm not talking
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little tricks and and I'm not talking
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little tricks and and I'm not talking big changes I'm talking little changes
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big changes I'm talking little changes
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big changes I'm talking little changes got those uh perf increases you know and
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got those uh perf increases you know and
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got those uh perf increases you know and um you know one of the things that I
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um you know one of the things that I
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um you know one of the things that I guess you know because I'm not in the in
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guess you know because I'm not in the in
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guess you know because I'm not in the in the Donna team or I'm not I'm not you
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the Donna team or I'm not I'm not you
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the Donna team or I'm not I'm not you know uh uh Stephen uh to and and and
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know uh uh Stephen uh to and and and
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know uh uh Stephen uh to and and and people like that you know I've always
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people like that you know I've always
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people like that you know I've always kind of been a little bit confused about
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kind of been a little bit confused about
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kind of been a little bit confused about about you know which uh compiler
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about you know which uh compiler
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about you know which uh compiler attributes should I use on my methods
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attributes should I use on my methods
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attributes should I use on my methods right you know and which which are good
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right you know and which which are good
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right you know and which which are good on some methods and which are are are
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on some methods and which are are are
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on some methods and which are are are not so good on other methods and and
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not so good on other methods and and
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not so good on other methods and and other little tricks like that and I've
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other little tricks like that and I've
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other little tricks like that and I've been using you know co-pilot to analyze
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been using you know co-pilot to analyze
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been using you know co-pilot to analyze almost every method in sparin and adding
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almost every method in sparin and adding
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almost every method in sparin and adding those attributes that I've missed
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those attributes that I've missed
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those attributes that I've missed because I just didn't really quite
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because I just didn't really quite
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because I just didn't really quite understand you know how they work and
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understand you know how they work and
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understand you know how they work and and how they work together right yeah
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and how they work together right yeah
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and how they work together right yeah yeah I mean you know what's interesting
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yeah I mean you know what's interesting
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yeah I mean you know what's interesting it's like um we we kind of deal with
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it's like um we we kind of deal with
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it's like um we we kind of deal with this uh idea from a lot of folks who are
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this uh idea from a lot of folks who are
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this uh idea from a lot of folks who are like oh maybe maybe this stuff's too
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like oh maybe maybe this stuff's too
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like oh maybe maybe this stuff's too complicated or uh oh maybe I'm not smart
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complicated or uh oh maybe I'm not smart
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complicated or uh oh maybe I'm not smart enough to understand how to do
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enough to understand how to do
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enough to understand how to do performance improvements but right I
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performance improvements but right I
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performance improvements but right I guess my my tip for a lot of people
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guess my my tip for a lot of people
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guess my my tip for a lot of people really to get started is like look at
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really to get started is like look at
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really to get started is like look at your monitoring tools so write a piece
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your monitoring tools so write a piece
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your monitoring tools so write a piece of line of code
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of line of code
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of line of code uh and I'll do some Shameless promotion
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uh and I'll do some Shameless promotion
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uh and I'll do some Shameless promotion for tools like
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for tools like
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for tools like resharper ultimate and Rider but uh
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resharper ultimate and Rider but uh
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resharper ultimate and Rider but uh recently in Ryder we added a monitoring
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recently in Ryder we added a monitoring
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recently in Ryder we added a monitoring tool window and as soon as you start
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tool window and as soon as you start
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tool window and as soon as you start your net application we'll actually
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your net application we'll actually
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your net application we'll actually track things like CPU usage memory usage
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track things like CPU usage memory usage
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track things like CPU usage memory usage uh we track also all kind of like the
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uh we track also all kind of like the
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uh we track also all kind of like the net uh Telemetry that gets kind of
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net uh Telemetry that gets kind of
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net uh Telemetry that gets kind of thrown up yeah uh and most importantly
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thrown up yeah uh and most importantly
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thrown up yeah uh and most importantly the thing that probably hurts
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the thing that probably hurts
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the thing that probably hurts performance the most in net applications
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performance the most in net applications
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performance the most in net applications uh is garbage collection right so if
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uh is garbage collection right so if
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uh is garbage collection right so if you're allocating a lot and the garbage
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you're allocating a lot and the garbage
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you're allocating a lot and the garbage collector has to come in so this new
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collector has to come in so this new
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collector has to come in so this new monitoring tool window and Rider will
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monitoring tool window and Rider will
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monitoring tool window and Rider will actually show you when the garbage
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actually show you when the garbage
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actually show you when the garbage collector kind of kicks off kicks in
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collector kind of kicks off kicks in
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collector kind of kicks off kicks in yeah yeah and if you if you're seeing a
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yeah yeah and if you if you're seeing a
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yeah yeah and if you if you're seeing a lot of those garbage collections
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lot of those garbage collections
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lot of those garbage collections happening that's probably a good time to
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happening that's probably a good time to
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happening that's probably a good time to introduce something like
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and try to figure out where your
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and try to figure out where your
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and try to figure out where your allocations are coming from and uh how
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allocations are coming from and uh how
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allocations are coming from and uh how many objects are getting into gen zero
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many objects are getting into gen zero
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many objects are getting into gen zero one and two and uh you know go from
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one and two and uh you know go from
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one and two and uh you know go from there so yeah um it doesn't take like a
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there so yeah um it doesn't take like a
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there so yeah um it doesn't take like a super genius it just takes looking at
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super genius it just takes looking at
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super genius it just takes looking at stuff and understanding oh I want to I
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stuff and understanding oh I want to I
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stuff and understanding oh I want to I want to lower this this particular
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want to lower this this particular
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want to lower this this particular number here and there so yeah and and
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number here and there so yeah and and
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number here and there so yeah and and that's you know pretty much everything I
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that's you know pretty much everything I
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that's you know pretty much everything I write on my site and even in my code
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write on my site and even in my code
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write on my site and even in my code performance book right um you know the
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performance book right um you know the
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performance book right um you know the goal of my code performance book is to
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goal of my code performance book is to
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goal of my code performance book is to make this super easy for you to go back
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make this super easy for you to go back
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make this super easy for you to go back and Implement right away right and you
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and Implement right away right and you
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and Implement right away right and you know with that said you know yes there
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know with that said you know yes there
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know with that said you know yes there are ways that you could spend a lot of
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are ways that you could spend a lot of
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are ways that you could spend a lot of time e eeking out every bit of
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time e eeking out every bit of
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time e eeking out every bit of performance out of code that you can but
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performance out of code that you can but
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performance out of code that you can but you know I I would say that most teams
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you know I I would say that most teams
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you know I I would say that most teams will never give you that time to do it
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will never give you that time to do it
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will never give you that time to do it right and so the whole goal of the book
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right and so the whole goal of the book
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right and so the whole goal of the book is to present different ways of doing
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is to present different ways of doing
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is to present different ways of doing things so you have a better idea what
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things so you have a better idea what
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things so you have a better idea what probably will work better for you right
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probably will work better for you right
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probably will work better for you right and and and you and you were talking
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and and and you and you were talking
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and and and you and you were talking about allocations and and whenever
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about allocations and and whenever
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about allocations and and whenever there's big allocation differences I put
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there's big allocation differences I put
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there's big allocation differences I put them in the book too right because that
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them in the book too right because that
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them in the book too right because that can be a tradeoff right if you're
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can be a tradeoff right if you're
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can be a tradeoff right if you're allocating a lot of memory maybe you
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allocating a lot of memory maybe you
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allocating a lot of memory maybe you might not want to do it if if it's a
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might not want to do it if if it's a
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might not want to do it if if it's a little more performant right because it
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little more performant right because it
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little more performant right because it might hurt your garbage collections
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might hurt your garbage collections
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might hurt your garbage collections because I I'm glad you brought up
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because I I'm glad you brought up
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because I I'm glad you brought up garbage collections because you know you
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garbage collections because you know you
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garbage collections because you know you know when I when companies uh you know
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know when I when companies uh you know
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know when I when companies uh you know hire me in the last 10 years or so
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hire me in the last 10 years or so
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hire me in the last 10 years or so especially companies that hire me to fix
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especially companies that hire me to fix
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especially companies that hire me to fix their performance issues the number one
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their performance issues the number one
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their performance issues the number one thing is garbage collections right and
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thing is garbage collections right and
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thing is garbage collections right and it's the first thing I do before I do
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it's the first thing I do before I do
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it's the first thing I do before I do any other performance updates because to
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any other performance updates because to
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any other performance updates because to me if you don't get that out of the
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me if you don't get that out of the
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me if you don't get that out of the way other metrics won't be correct right
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way other metrics won't be correct right
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way other metrics won't be correct right so you have and I've spent like three
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so you have and I've spent like three
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so you have and I've spent like three months just fixing those issues in
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months just fixing those issues in
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months just fixing those issues in projects right and and and and and
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projects right and and and and and
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projects right and and and and and dramatically improve the performance
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dramatically improve the performance
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dramatically improve the performance just by cleaning up the carbage
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just by cleaning up the carbage
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just by cleaning up the carbage collections right and and properly you
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collections right and and properly you
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collections right and and properly you know uh dealing with disposable objects
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know uh dealing with disposable objects
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know uh dealing with disposable objects and properly implementing your own
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and properly implementing your own
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and properly implementing your own disposable objects right yeah I I will
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disposable objects right yeah I I will
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disposable objects right yeah I I will say too what I really like that's
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say too what I really like that's
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say too what I really like that's happening inet right now is kind of the
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happening inet right now is kind of the
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happening inet right now is kind of the move to uh introduce more open Telemetry
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move to uh introduce more open Telemetry
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move to uh introduce more open Telemetry across the board yeah so uh one of the
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across the board yeah so uh one of the
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across the board yeah so uh one of the things we see at jet brains is people
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things we see at jet brains is people
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things we see at jet brains is people typically will buy Dot trace and
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typically will buy Dot trace and
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typically will buy Dot trace and dotmemory to profile issues when their
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dotmemory to profile issues when their
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dotmemory to profile issues when their house is already on fire right right and
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house is already on fire right right and
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house is already on fire right right and it's like it's almost too late yeah it's
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it's like it's almost too late yeah it's
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it's like it's almost too late yeah it's it's a little too late it's uh well it's
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it's a little too late it's uh well it's
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it's a little too late it's uh well it's never too late to fix a problem it's
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never too late to fix a problem it's
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never too late to fix a problem it's right unless you're crowd strike then I
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right unless you're crowd strike then I
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right unless you're crowd strike then I don't um but
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don't um but
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don't um but uh sorry that was that was a cheap shot
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uh sorry that was that was a cheap shot
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uh sorry that was that was a cheap shot it was easy easy to take but um no I was
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it was easy easy to take but um no I was
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it was easy easy to take but um no I was gonna say like uh the introduction of
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gonna say like uh the introduction of
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gonna say like uh the introduction of open Telemetry I think is going to give
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open Telemetry I think is going to give
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open Telemetry I think is going to give a lot of net
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a lot of net
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a lot of net developers uh metrics in production
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developers uh metrics in production
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developers uh metrics in production scenarios sooner than later uh as long
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scenarios sooner than later uh as long
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scenarios sooner than later uh as long as they turn it on uh a lot of what the
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as they turn it on uh a lot of what the
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as they turn it on uh a lot of what the net team and kind of the satellite teams
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net team and kind of the satellite teams
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net team and kind of the satellite teams are doing at Microsoft is putting a lot
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are doing at Microsoft is putting a lot
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are doing at Microsoft is putting a lot of the open telemetry
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of the open telemetry
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of the open telemetry um into these like libraries that you're
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um into these like libraries that you're
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um into these like libraries that you're already probably using so um you can
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already probably using so um you can
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already probably using so um you can take the extra step and kind of put open
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take the extra step and kind of put open
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take the extra step and kind of put open Telemetry in your own code base uh but
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Telemetry in your own code base uh but
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Telemetry in your own code base uh but it seems like right off the bat if you
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it seems like right off the bat if you
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it seems like right off the bat if you just opt into otel which is open
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just opt into otel which is open
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just opt into otel which is open Telemetry otel um then you're going to
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Telemetry otel um then you're going to
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Telemetry otel um then you're going to get a lot of uh extra Telemetry right
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get a lot of uh extra Telemetry right
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get a lot of uh extra Telemetry right out of the box for things like database
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out of the box for things like database
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out of the box for things like database queries uh
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queries uh
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queries uh allocations web request
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allocations web request
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allocations web request uh from your HTTP clients right so these
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uh from your HTTP clients right so these
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uh from your HTTP clients right so these are all kind of places if you just have
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are all kind of places if you just have
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are all kind of places if you just have that data and understand where some of
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that data and understand where some of
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that data and understand where some of your bottlenecks are you can you can
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your bottlenecks are you can you can
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your bottlenecks are you can you can yeah you can crank up performance uh in
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yeah you can crank up performance uh in
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yeah you can crank up performance uh in no time so just pay attention to that
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no time so just pay attention to that
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no time so just pay attention to that kind of stuff so yeah yeah that's you
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kind of stuff so yeah yeah that's you
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kind of stuff so yeah yeah that's you know that's one of the reasons I've
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know that's one of the reasons I've
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know that's one of the reasons I've always uh kind of liked uh application
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always uh kind of liked uh application
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always uh kind of liked uh application insights because it already has you know
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insights because it already has you know
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insights because it already has you know some Telemetry stuff in it and and I
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some Telemetry stuff in it and and I
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some Telemetry stuff in it and and I know recently I was talking
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know recently I was talking
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know recently I was talking uh to somebody about performance and
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uh to somebody about performance and
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uh to somebody about performance and um and they said something like well
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um and they said something like well
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um and they said something like well what about asp.net apps and how do you
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what about asp.net apps and how do you
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what about asp.net apps and how do you Benchmark that I go well see that's a
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Benchmark that I go well see that's a
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Benchmark that I go well see that's a whole different thing you know when I
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whole different thing you know when I
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whole different thing you know when I talk about benchmarking I'm talking
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talk about benchmarking I'm talking
19:42
talk about benchmarking I'm talking about benchmarking libraries and things
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about benchmarking libraries and things
19:44
about benchmarking libraries and things like that right when it comes to you
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like that right when it comes to you
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like that right when it comes to you know uh measuring speed in applications
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know uh measuring speed in applications
19:49
know uh measuring speed in applications you know whether it's asp.net or or
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you know whether it's asp.net or or
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you know whether it's asp.net or or another you know Windows application you
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another you know Windows application you
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another you know Windows application you have to use other things to do that
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have to use other things to do that
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have to use other things to do that right and um
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right and um
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right and um because especially with islebound work
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because especially with islebound work
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because especially with islebound work you know um islebound work is
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you know um islebound work is
20:05
you know um islebound work is dramatically difficult to Benchmark you
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dramatically difficult to Benchmark you
20:08
dramatically difficult to Benchmark you know with something like
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in application insights and other
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in application insights and other
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in application insights and other Frameworks yeah and and again I I think
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Frameworks yeah and and again I I think
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Frameworks yeah and and again I I think the nice thing about all this is like uh
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the nice thing about all this is like uh
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the nice thing about all this is like uh you know you you were talking about
20:37
you know you you were talking about
20:38
you know you you were talking about helping teams with improving their
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helping teams with improving their
20:40
helping teams with improving their performance and stuff like that uh when
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performance and stuff like that uh when
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performance and stuff like that uh when you get a team of developers around to
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you get a team of developers around to
20:46
you get a team of developers around to talk about this stuff um having data
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talk about this stuff um having data
20:51
talk about this stuff um having data that you can all kind of objectively
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that you can all kind of objectively
20:53
that you can all kind of objectively look at and have a reality form that you
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look at and have a reality form that you
20:57
look at and have a reality form that you can actually have discussions about um
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can actually have discussions about um
21:00
can actually have discussions about um is really beneficial to making progress
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is really beneficial to making progress
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is really beneficial to making progress right whereas you know let's face it
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right whereas you know let's face it
21:06
right whereas you know let's face it there's a there's a little bit of cargo
21:08
there's a there's a little bit of cargo
21:08
there's a there's a little bit of cargo culting in Tech you know it's like if
21:10
culting in Tech you know it's like if
21:10
culting in Tech you know it's like if you do this pattern or do this style
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you do this pattern or do this style
21:14
you do this pattern or do this style you're going to get performance uh and
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you're going to get performance uh and
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you're going to get performance uh and sometimes those kind of promises don't
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sometimes those kind of promises don't
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sometimes those kind of promises don't pan out so
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pan out so
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pan out so don't especially when they don't provide
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don't especially when they don't provide
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don't especially when they don't provide any actual benchmarking data I was kind
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any actual benchmarking data I was kind
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any actual benchmarking data I was kind of reading some of that this morning
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of reading some of that this morning
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of reading some of that this morning where they were just using the stopwatch
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where they were just using the stopwatch
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where they were just using the stopwatch and stuff and and I'm going no no if
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and stuff and and I'm going no no if
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and stuff and and I'm going no no if you're not showing me Benchmark data I
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you're not showing me Benchmark data I
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you're not showing me Benchmark data I don't really believe your results right
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don't really believe your results right
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don't really believe your results right yeah because that you know benchmarking
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yeah because that you know benchmarking
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yeah because that you know benchmarking really pounds the heck out of it right
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really pounds the heck out of it right
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really pounds the heck out of it right and yeah and you can you get you get to
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and yeah and you can you get you get to
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and yeah and you can you get you get to see so much more information using
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see so much more information using
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see so much more information using something like
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benchmark.us uh Andrea kinshin actually
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benchmark.us uh Andrea kinshin actually
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benchmark.us uh Andrea kinshin actually is the um maintainer of uh who works at
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is the um maintainer of uh who works at
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is the um maintainer of uh who works at je is the maintainer of benchmark
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je is the maintainer of benchmark
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je is the maintainer of benchmark and uh I think last year I wrote that we
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and uh I think last year I wrote that we
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and uh I think last year I wrote that we introduced um dot like a DOT Trace uh
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introduced um dot like a DOT Trace uh
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introduced um dot like a DOT Trace uh mechanism into
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benchmark.com it's one of those but you
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benchmark.com it's one of those but you
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benchmark.com it's one of those but you can get a a slew of more information and
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can get a a slew of more information and
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can get a a slew of more information and load that stuff into our tools so you
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load that stuff into our tools so you
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load that stuff into our tools so you can kind of really drill down and do an
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can kind of really drill down and do an
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can kind of really drill down and do an investigation uh on your benchmarks
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investigation uh on your benchmarks
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investigation uh on your benchmarks right so um you not only see the numbers
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right so um you not only see the numbers
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right so um you not only see the numbers but you can kind of go through and
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but you can kind of go through and
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but you can kind of go through and understand why those numbers uh are the
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understand why those numbers uh are the
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understand why those numbers uh are the numbers they are so I think that stuff's
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numbers they are so I think that stuff's
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numbers they are so I think that stuff's pretty cool but uh you you were talking
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pretty cool but uh you you were talking
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pretty cool but uh you you were talking in the intro about like 30 years in Tech
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in the intro about like 30 years in Tech
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in the intro about like 30 years in Tech and by the way congratulations that's
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and by the way congratulations that's
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and by the way congratulations that's that's a great achievement by the way uh
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that's a great achievement by the way uh
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that's a great achievement by the way uh I think I'm I'm nearing like 20 years I
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I think I'm I'm nearing like 20 years I
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I think I'm I'm nearing like 20 years I don't know anymore uh I've lost count
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don't know anymore uh I've lost count
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don't know anymore uh I've lost count we're we're old David we gota I
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we're we're old David we gota I
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we're we're old David we gota I know what day is it
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uh what's my name again oh oh it's it's
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uh what's my name again oh oh it's it's
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uh what's my name again oh oh it's it's all right but um no we we recently
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all right but um no we we recently
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all right but um no we we recently celebrated 20 years uh of re sharper
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celebrated 20 years uh of re sharper
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celebrated 20 years uh of re sharper being around and uh I'll send I remember
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being around and uh I'll send I remember
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being around and uh I'll send I remember when it came out yeah yeah I'll send you
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when it came out yeah yeah I'll send you
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when it came out yeah yeah I'll send you this link it came out in let's see here
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this link it came out in let's see here
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this link it came out in let's see here uh so July 21st
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uh so July 21st
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uh so July 21st 2004 so uh and it actually came out for
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2004 so uh and it actually came out for
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2004 so uh and it actually came out for visual studio uh 20 3 which is kind of
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visual studio uh 20 3 which is kind of
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visual studio uh 20 3 which is kind of it's kind of crazy um but I'll send you
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it's kind of crazy um but I'll send you
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it's kind of crazy um but I'll send you this link and maybe Simon can uh put it
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this link and maybe Simon can uh put it
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this link and maybe Simon can uh put it somewhere here I'll put it in the
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somewhere here I'll put it in the
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somewhere here I'll put it in the private chat uh and maybe Simon can send
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private chat uh and maybe Simon can send
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private chat uh and maybe Simon can send it out to all the channels but if folks
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it out to all the channels but if folks
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it out to all the channels but if folks want to follow along uh or look through
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want to follow along uh or look through
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want to follow along uh or look through it I really recommend it because it kind
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it I really recommend it because it kind
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it I really recommend it because it kind of shows you uh the history of not only
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of shows you uh the history of not only
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of shows you uh the history of not only resharper butet we have like a lot of
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resharper butet we have like a lot of
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resharper butet we have like a lot of little milestones in terms of what was
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little milestones in terms of what was
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little milestones in terms of what was happening in the net space and what was
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happening in the net space and what was
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happening in the net space and what was happening with visual studio uh also
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happening with visual studio uh also
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happening with visual studio uh also things with like mono so mono 1.1 was
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things with like mono so mono 1.1 was
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things with like mono so mono 1.1 was released in June 2004 uh which for folks
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released in June 2004 uh which for folks
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released in June 2004 uh which for folks doing mobile development or
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doing mobile development or
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doing mobile development or crossplatform development with net core
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crossplatform development with net core
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crossplatform development with net core they can kind of owe a lot to where we
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they can kind of owe a lot to where we
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they can kind of owe a lot to where we are today with net to the folks who
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are today with net to the folks who
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are today with net to the folks who worked on mono kind of fascinating so
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worked on mono kind of fascinating so
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worked on mono kind of fascinating so and this is also you know July 5th last
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and this is also you know July 5th last
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and this is also you know July 5th last month was my 30th Ann AR of speaking in
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month was my 30th Ann AR of speaking in
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month was my 30th Ann AR of speaking in public wow so the first the very first
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public wow so the first the very first
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public wow so the first the very first public speech I ever gave was July 5th
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public speech I ever gave was July 5th
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public speech I ever gave was July 5th uh 30 years ago was it about VB no it's
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uh 30 years ago was it about VB no it's
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uh 30 years ago was it about VB no it's actually about creating help files oh
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actually about creating help files oh
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actually about creating help files oh wow yeah it because you know I've always
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wow yeah it because you know I've always
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wow yeah it because you know I've always been big into documentation and and you
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been big into documentation and and you
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been big into documentation and and you know that's what I was interested in and
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know that's what I was interested in and
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know that's what I was interested in and I think I was writing an article at the
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I think I was writing an article at the
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I think I was writing an article at the same
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same
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same time uh for uh the visual B basic
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time uh for uh the visual B basic
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time uh for uh the visual B basic programmers Journal MH um but so I you
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programmers Journal MH um but so I you
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programmers Journal MH um but so I you know I was always big into that you know
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know I was always big into that you know
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know I was always big into that you know we used to have help files right and uh
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we used to have help files right and uh
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we used to have help files right and uh uh big into that kind of stuff so that
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uh big into that kind of stuff so that
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uh big into that kind of stuff so that was actually and I still have a you know
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was actually and I still have a you know
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was actually and I still have a you know a scan of I took I took uh the slide
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a scan of I took I took uh the slide
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a scan of I took I took uh the slide deck for everybody there you know I I
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deck for everybody there you know I I
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deck for everybody there you know I I printed it out and took it with me right
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printed it out and took it with me right
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printed it out and took it with me right and and I luckily scanned one of them
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and and I luckily scanned one of them
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and and I luckily scanned one of them and I still have it it's on the article
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and I still have it it's on the article
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and I still have it it's on the article that I I released uh uh last July on
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that I I released uh uh last July on
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that I I released uh uh last July on July 5th so that's that's amazing like
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July 5th so that's that's amazing like
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July 5th so that's that's amazing like that that is very extra view to be like
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that that is very extra view to be like
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that that is very extra view to be like you know I know people are going to want
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you know I know people are going to want
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you know I know people are going to want my slide deck here I'm going to go and
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my slide deck here I'm going to go and
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my slide deck here I'm going to go and print this out for you that's awesome
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print this out for you that's awesome
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print this out for you that's awesome that's awesome well that's before you
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that's awesome well that's before you
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that's awesome well that's before you know sharing that stuff was easy right
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know sharing that stuff was easy right
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know sharing that stuff was easy right back then you know back in 94 sharing
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back then you know back in 94 sharing
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back then you know back in 94 sharing stuff like that wasn't super easy right
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stuff like that wasn't super easy right
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stuff like that wasn't super easy right yeah I know I mean people didn't even
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yeah I know I mean people didn't even
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yeah I know I mean people didn't even have the cell phone cameras so like yeah
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have the cell phone cameras so like yeah
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have the cell phone cameras so like yeah like people probably writing notes down
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like people probably writing notes down
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like people probably writing notes down with and paper yeah like cave people oh
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with and paper yeah like cave people oh
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with and paper yeah like cave people oh man it's fine but you know in that
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man it's fine but you know in that
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man it's fine but you know in that article you know and I've I've talked
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article you know and I've I've talked
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article you know and I've I've talked about this a lot I've written about it a
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about this a lot I've written about it a
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about this a lot I've written about it a lot you know I and I hope people go read
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lot you know I and I hope people go read
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lot you know I and I hope people go read it is that you know that one thing that
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it is that you know that one thing that
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it is that you know that one thing that I did and the and the reason I I did
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I did and the and the reason I I did
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I did and the and the reason I I did that is in the article it's the first
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that is in the article it's the first
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that is in the article it's the first time I publicly said it but you know the
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time I publicly said it but you know the
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time I publicly said it but you know the one thing that I did uh dramatically
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one thing that I did uh dramatically
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one thing that I did uh dramatically improved my career right if I didn't
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improved my career right if I didn't
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improved my career right if I didn't learn how to communicate and speak in
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learn how to communicate and speak in
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learn how to communicate and speak in front of people and things like that I
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front of people and things like that I
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front of people and things like that I would not be where I am now I guarantee
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would not be where I am now I guarantee
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would not be where I am now I guarantee it right my career would have been much
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it right my career would have been much
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it right my career would have been much different you know um so yeah you kind
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different you know um so yeah you kind
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different you know um so yeah you kind that's a good thing to bring up you know
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that's a good thing to bring up you know
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that's a good thing to bring up you know like one of the questions you'd send me
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like one of the questions you'd send me
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like one of the questions you'd send me it's like um what advice would you give
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it's like um what advice would you give
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it's like um what advice would you give developers who are starting with aset
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developers who are starting with aset
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developers who are starting with aset and stuff uh to build a strong
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and stuff uh to build a strong
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and stuff uh to build a strong foundation for their careers and I think
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foundation for their careers and I think
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foundation for their careers and I think you know it's not really about
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you know it's not really about
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you know it's not really about technology uh like you're saying it's
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technology uh like you're saying it's
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technology uh like you're saying it's about communica ating and empathizing
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about communica ating and empathizing
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about communica ating and empathizing with your users right like yeah we I
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with your users right like yeah we I
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with your users right like yeah we I think the industry's kind of gotten into
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think the industry's kind of gotten into
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think the industry's kind of gotten into a strange place where we focus way too
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a strange place where we focus way too
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a strange place where we focus way too much on the
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much on the
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much on the technology uh so you end up th with
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technology uh so you end up th with
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technology uh so you end up th with things like uh weird interviews where
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things like uh weird interviews where
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things like uh weird interviews where you're solving uh programmatic uh and
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you're solving uh programmatic uh and
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you're solving uh programmatic uh and like algorithmic problems yeah uh which
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like algorithmic problems yeah uh which
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like algorithmic problems yeah uh which let's face it like there's a small niche
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let's face it like there's a small niche
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let's face it like there's a small niche of people actually doing that kind of
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of people actually doing that kind of
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of people actually doing that kind of work yes uh and in reality a lot of
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work yes uh and in reality a lot of
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work yes uh and in reality a lot of software
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software
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software developers need to understand that when
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developers need to understand that when
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developers need to understand that when they're writing software they're writing
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they're writing software they're writing
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they're writing software they're writing it so that some other human being can
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it so that some other human being can
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it so that some other human being can benefit from that solution so yeah it's
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benefit from that solution so yeah it's
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benefit from that solution so yeah it's not it's not really about technology
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not it's not really about technology
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not it's not really about technology it's about helping other individuals and
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it's about helping other individuals and
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it's about helping other individuals and being empathetic and I think what you
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being empathetic and I think what you
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being empathetic and I think what you said is is very uh to that point as well
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said is is very uh to that point as well
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said is is very uh to that point as well yeah and I and I've you know said this
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yeah and I and I've you know said this
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yeah and I and I've you know said this before is that you know I have always as
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before is that you know I have always as
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before is that you know I have always as long as I can remember felt that my job
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long as I can remember felt that my job
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long as I can remember felt that my job as a software engineer is to make
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as a software engineer is to make
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as a software engineer is to make someone else's life or workflow better
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someone else's life or workflow better
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someone else's life or workflow better right that's my job right my job isn't
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right that's my job right my job isn't
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right that's my job right my job isn't really to be the best coder in the world
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really to be the best coder in the world
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really to be the best coder in the world even though I like doing that you know
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even though I like doing that you know
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even though I like doing that you know my job is solving issues or problems or
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my job is solving issues or problems or
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my job is solving issues or problems or providing features for the end user
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providing features for the end user
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providing features for the end user right that's my job and code and this
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right that's my job and code and this
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right that's my job and code and this was I why I think a lot of people are a
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was I why I think a lot of people are a
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was I why I think a lot of people are a little too afraid about AI right now
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little too afraid about AI right now
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little too afraid about AI right now code is just the tool to allow you to do
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code is just the tool to allow you to do
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code is just the tool to allow you to do that right it's it's I would love it if
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that right it's it's I would love it if
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that right it's it's I would love it if I coded less right yeah and because that
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I coded less right yeah and because that
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I coded less right yeah and because that would give me more time to focus on the
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would give me more time to focus on the
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would give me more time to focus on the users and focus on their workflow and
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users and focus on their workflow and
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users and focus on their workflow and focus on making things easier right and
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focus on making things easier right and
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focus on making things easier right and and even before I became a a full-time
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and even before I became a a full-time
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and even before I became a a full-time software engineer when I started writing
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software engineer when I started writing
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software engineer when I started writing applications at General atomics right
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applications at General atomics right
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applications at General atomics right but and I I would always do it at
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but and I I would always do it at
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but and I I would always do it at lunchtime and I would sit in my in my my
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lunchtime and I would sit in my in my my
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lunchtime and I would sit in my in my my little tiny room uh at General atomics
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little tiny room uh at General atomics
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little tiny room uh at General atomics and and I would when I was writing this
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and and I would when I was writing this
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and and I would when I was writing this application I I would say okay how would
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application I I would say okay how would
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application I I would say okay how would the SEC my boss's secretary Ed this
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the SEC my boss's secretary Ed this
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the SEC my boss's secretary Ed this application right because you know yeah
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application right because you know yeah
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application right because you know yeah the application's for me but how would
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the application's for me but how would
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the application's for me but how would she use it right and I would I would
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she use it right and I would I would
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she use it right and I would I would envision myself being her right and how
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envision myself being her right and how
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envision myself being her right and how would I see it how would I want to what
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would I see it how would I want to what
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would I see it how would I want to what would I want to see in this application
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would I want to see in this application
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would I want to see in this application to make it easy for me from her
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to make it easy for me from her
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to make it easy for me from her standpoint right because I I always
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standpoint right because I I always
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standpoint right because I I always believe you know the most difficult
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believe you know the most difficult
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believe you know the most difficult programs to use are the ones developed
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programs to use are the ones developed
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programs to use are the ones developed by developers right because because they
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by developers right because because they
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by developers right because because they develop it for themselves not for the
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develop it for themselves not for the
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develop it for themselves not for the user right yeah and uh I think that's a
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user right yeah and uh I think that's a
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user right yeah and uh I think that's a good point you know like anytime you can
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good point you know like anytime you can
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good point you know like anytime you can actually you know this is kind of why I
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actually you know this is kind of why I
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actually you know this is kind of why I love developer advocacy it's like
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love developer advocacy it's like
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love developer advocacy it's like anytime you can actually talk to the
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anytime you can actually talk to the
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anytime you can actually talk to the people using your software yes and it
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people using your software yes and it
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people using your software yes and it goes back to building your communication
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goes back to building your communication
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goes back to building your communication skills um any anytime you can talk to
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skills um any anytime you can talk to
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skills um any anytime you can talk to people and really understand what
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people and really understand what
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people and really understand what problems they're running
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problems they're running
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problems they're running into um the faster you can kind of build
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into um the faster you can kind of build
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into um the faster you can kind of build that relationship and you'll just be
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that relationship and you'll just be
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that relationship and you'll just be more successful because of it so um yeah
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more successful because of it so um yeah
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more successful because of it so um yeah like uh you know if you want a strong
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like uh you know if you want a strong
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like uh you know if you want a strong long career in Tech it's like this might
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long career in Tech it's like this might
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long career in Tech it's like this might sound cliche but work on those soft
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sound cliche but work on those soft
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sound cliche but work on those soft skills yes and remember what your role
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skills yes and remember what your role
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skills yes and remember what your role is to help people kind of solve problems
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is to help people kind of solve problems
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is to help people kind of solve problems um and you'll be fine you'll be fine
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um and you'll be fine you'll be fine
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um and you'll be fine you'll be fine you'll have a long career from that uh
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you'll have a long career from that uh
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you'll have a long career from that uh if you become like a particular uh
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if you become like a particular uh
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if you become like a particular uh expert like let's say uh you were 10
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expert like let's say uh you were 10
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expert like let's say uh you were 10 years ago focusing on becoming a silver
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years ago focusing on becoming a silver
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years ago focusing on becoming a silver light expert you you're probably you
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light expert you you're probably you
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light expert you you're probably you know you probably didn't last uh very
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know you probably didn't last uh very
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know you probably didn't last uh very long so yeah
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long so yeah
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long so yeah well in in in the article that I'm I'm
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well in in in the article that I'm I'm
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well in in in the article that I'm I'm working on right now that I'm going to
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working on right now that I'm going to
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working on right now that I'm going to release before the next uh show right
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release before the next uh show right
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release before the next uh show right about the advice I would give you know I
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about the advice I would give you know I
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about the advice I would give you know I have a whole big actually the biggest
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have a whole big actually the biggest
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have a whole big actually the biggest section in the article is about soft
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section in the article is about soft
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section in the article is about soft skills right because that's what is I
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skills right because that's what is I
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skills right because that's what is I think the most important and and I think
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think the most important and and I think
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think the most important and and I think is focused on the least right in
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is focused on the least right in
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is focused on the least right in software engineering and and and you
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software engineering and and and you
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software engineering and and and you know I I State something uh in there
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know I I State something uh in there
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know I I State something uh in there that you know I've I have forgotten more
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that you know I've I have forgotten more
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that you know I've I have forgotten more than I know right because because
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than I know right because because
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than I know right because because there's been so many Frameworks come and
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there's been so many Frameworks come and
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there's been so many Frameworks come and go you know even in net even since net
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go you know even in net even since net
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go you know even in net even since net came out there's so many things that
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came out there's so many things that
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came out there's so many things that don't even exist inet anymore right and
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don't even exist inet anymore right and
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don't even exist inet anymore right and Net's only 23 years old so um that's why
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Net's only 23 years old so um that's why
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Net's only 23 years old so um that's why I've always you know recommended to you
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I've always you know recommended to you
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I've always you know recommended to you know in my writings or teaching or
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know in my writings or teaching or
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know in my writings or teaching or whatever is focus on the soft skills
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whatever is focus on the soft skills
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whatever is focus on the soft skills because the soft skills you can use your
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because the soft skills you can use your
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because the soft skills you can use your entire career you know there are skills
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entire career you know there are skills
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entire career you know there are skills I learned before I became a software
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I learned before I became a software
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I learned before I became a software engineer that I still use today right oh
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engineer that I still use today right oh
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engineer that I still use today right oh yeah of course and and and it's not
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yeah of course and and and it's not
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yeah of course and and and it's not about because back then I was using
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about because back then I was using
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about because back then I was using Visual Basic two or three right so it's
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Visual Basic two or three right so it's
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Visual Basic two or three right so it's got nothing to do with the language it's
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got nothing to do with the language it's
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got nothing to do with the language it's about to do with the process of writing
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about to do with the process of writing
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about to do with the process of writing great software right yeah and I think
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great software right yeah and I think
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great software right yeah and I think you brought up AI like um you know for
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you brought up AI like um you know for
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you brought up AI like um you know for me I've definitely seen use cases for AI
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me I've definitely seen use cases for AI
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me I've definitely seen use cases for AI that have been really
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that have been really
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that have been really compelling uh at jet brains we just
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compelling uh at jet brains we just
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compelling uh at jet brains we just released uh full line code completion so
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released uh full line code completion so
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released uh full line code completion so uh if you're using any of our idees you
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uh if you're using any of our idees you
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uh if you're using any of our idees you get kind of the next line uh generated
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get kind of the next line uh generated
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get kind of the next line uh generated for you based on this fine tune model uh
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for you based on this fine tune model uh
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for you based on this fine tune model uh that runs completely locally in the IDE
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that runs completely locally in the IDE
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that runs completely locally in the IDE can work in disconnected scenarios
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can work in disconnected scenarios
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can work in disconnected scenarios Lightning Fast um so that's been super
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Lightning Fast um so that's been super
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Lightning Fast um so that's been super helpful for me as I write code because
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helpful for me as I write code because
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helpful for me as I write code because it works really fast uh it doesn't kind
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it works really fast uh it doesn't kind
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it works really fast uh it doesn't kind of make me pause whereas things like
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of make me pause whereas things like
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of make me pause whereas things like multi-line code completion can be
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multi-line code completion can be
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multi-line code completion can be helpful when I don't know how to
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helpful when I don't know how to
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helpful when I don't know how to implement a full method but I also find
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implement a full method but I also find
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implement a full method but I also find it kind of distracting a times uh if
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it kind of distracting a times uh if
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it kind of distracting a times uh if there's too much code because it it
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there's too much code because it it
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there's too much code because it it stops my flow so I think with
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stops my flow so I think with
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stops my flow so I think with AI Le let's let's say uh you know let's
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AI Le let's let's say uh you know let's
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AI Le let's let's say uh you know let's address the elephant in the room with AI
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address the elephant in the room with AI
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address the elephant in the room with AI um like there's this fear that it's
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um like there's this fear that it's
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um like there's this fear that it's going to be here to take everyone's jobs
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going to be here to take everyone's jobs
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going to be here to take everyone's jobs I don't really see that happening I uh
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I don't really see that happening I uh
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I don't really see that happening I uh even as complex as these models are
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even as complex as these models are
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even as complex as these models are getting um I still think again like as
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getting um I still think again like as
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getting um I still think again like as human beings you still need to
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human beings you still need to
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human beings you still need to understand what the problem is why
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understand what the problem is why
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understand what the problem is why you're solving that problem and
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you're solving that problem and
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you're solving that problem and ultimately you're going to have to
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ultimately you're going to have to
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ultimately you're going to have to iterate on that solution over time no no
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iterate on that solution over time no no
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iterate on that solution over time no no one has produced a V1 product that is
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one has produced a V1 product that is
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one has produced a V1 product that is feature complete no and is done right so
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feature complete no and is done right so
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feature complete no and is done right so uh for me
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uh for me
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uh for me like AI can be helpful and I think
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like AI can be helpful and I think
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like AI can be helpful and I think that's you know Microsoft picking the
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that's you know Microsoft picking the
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that's you know Microsoft picking the term co-pilot jetbrains picking the term
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term co-pilot jetbrains picking the term
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term co-pilot jetbrains picking the term AI assistant is really apt it's not
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AI assistant is really apt it's not
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AI assistant is really apt it's not there to do your job for you it's there
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there to do your job for you it's there
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there to do your job for you it's there to assist you right yeah and um I agree
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to assist you right yeah and um I agree
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to assist you right yeah and um I agree I I came out with a meme uh I think I
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I I came out with a meme uh I think I
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I I came out with a meme uh I think I put it out this this week uh that
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put it out this this week uh that
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put it out this this week uh that basically said uh calm down don't be
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basically said uh calm down don't be
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basically said uh calm down don't be afraid AI is not going to take your job
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afraid AI is not going to take your job
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afraid AI is not going to take your job anytime time soon at least not in 2024
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anytime time soon at least not in 2024
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anytime time soon at least not in 2024 right and and because you know because
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right and and because you know because
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right and and because you know because I've been using AI pretty much every day
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I've been using AI pretty much every day
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I've been using AI pretty much every day since build right the build conference
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since build right the build conference
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since build right the build conference right I'm here to tell you that at the
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right I'm here to tell you that at the
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right I'm here to tell you that at the current state of AI your job's not going
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current state of AI your job's not going
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current state of AI your job's not going away I'm sorry it's AI just isn't that
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away I'm sorry it's AI just isn't that
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away I'm sorry it's AI just isn't that good you know at this point yeah I mean
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good you know at this point yeah I mean
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good you know at this point yeah I mean oh go ahead sorry well it's not as
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oh go ahead sorry well it's not as
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oh go ahead sorry well it's not as perfect as or or even the closest
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perfect as or or even the closest
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perfect as or or even the closest I'm saying it wrong there are a lot of
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I'm saying it wrong there are a lot of
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I'm saying it wrong there are a lot of things that AI spits out that doesn't
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things that AI spits out that doesn't
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things that AI spits out that doesn't even work right um and and can even
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even work right um and and can even
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even work right um and and can even cause problems right so uh you still
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cause problems right so uh you still
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cause problems right so uh you still just like if you're looking at something
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just like if you're looking at something
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just like if you're looking at something that you got from stock overflow or
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that you got from stock overflow or
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that you got from stock overflow or someplace like that you still have to
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someplace like that you still have to
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someplace like that you still have to look at it you still have to realize
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look at it you still have to realize
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look at it you still have to realize what the heck it's doing uh because
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what the heck it's doing uh because
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what the heck it's doing uh because we're just not there yet you know maybe
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we're just not there yet you know maybe
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we're just not there yet you know maybe 10 years from now I'll say something
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10 years from now I'll say something
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10 years from now I'll say something different but right now the state of it
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different but right now the state of it
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different but right now the state of it is it's just assistant it's a tool it's
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is it's just assistant it's a tool it's
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is it's just assistant it's a tool it's not going to replace you you know it
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not going to replace you you know it
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not going to replace you you know it might do other things in in the tech
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might do other things in in the tech
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might do other things in in the tech world but as far as software Engineers
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world but as far as software Engineers
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world but as far as software Engineers go uh I don't think that's going to
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go uh I don't think that's going to
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go uh I don't think that's going to happen anytime soon yeah yeah I I I
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happen anytime soon yeah yeah I I I
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happen anytime soon yeah yeah I I I agree with you you know the the I was
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agree with you you know the the I was
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agree with you you know the the I was using jet brain's AI assistant to maybe
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using jet brain's AI assistant to maybe
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using jet brain's AI assistant to maybe learn a little bit of rust uh we have a
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learn a little bit of rust uh we have a
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learn a little bit of rust uh we have a great rust course built into rust Rover
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great rust course built into rust Rover
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great rust course built into rust Rover uh which is our IDE for the rust
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uh which is our IDE for the rust
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uh which is our IDE for the rust Community um but I found the AI part to
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Community um but I found the AI part to
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Community um but I found the AI part to be super helpful in terms of not giving
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be super helpful in terms of not giving
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be super helpful in terms of not giving me the exact information I needed but
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me the exact information I needed but
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me the exact information I needed but slowly uncovering Concepts and theories
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slowly uncovering Concepts and theories
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slowly uncovering Concepts and theories that I was kind of ignorant to at the
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that I was kind of ignorant to at the
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that I was kind of ignorant to at the time so I would download some somebody's
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time so I would download some somebody's
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time so I would download some somebody's project somebody's rust project and open
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project somebody's rust project and open
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project somebody's rust project and open it and I would look at the syntax that
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it and I would look at the syntax that
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it and I would look at the syntax that was strange and I'd have ai explain it
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was strange and I'd have ai explain it
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was strange and I'd have ai explain it to me and what I would do is I would
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to me and what I would do is I would
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to me and what I would do is I would write down the keywords that would kind
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write down the keywords that would kind
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write down the keywords that would kind of pop up in the response yeah and then
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of pop up in the response yeah and then
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of pop up in the response yeah and then I would use those keywords to go do
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I would use those keywords to go do
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I would use those keywords to go do research and to understand oh this is
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research and to understand oh this is
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research and to understand oh this is what this means this is what this
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what this means this is what this
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what this means this is what this concept uh means in this particular use
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concept uh means in this particular use
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concept uh means in this particular use case so um AI as it stands right now
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case so um AI as it stands right now
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case so um AI as it stands right now with the large language models is really
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with the large language models is really
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with the large language models is really really good at summarization right uh
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really good at summarization right uh
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really good at summarization right uh taking long pieces of text long pieces
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taking long pieces of text long pieces
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taking long pieces of text long pieces of code and kind of giving you like an
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of code and kind of giving you like an
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of code and kind of giving you like an overview what's happening in there
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overview what's happening in there
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overview what's happening in there um what it's not good at is uh the data
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um what it's not good at is uh the data
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um what it's not good at is uh the data sets for large language models right now
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sets for large language models right now
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sets for large language models right now is still very opaque so most of these
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is still very opaque so most of these
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is still very opaque so most of these models you really only know uh the
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models you really only know uh the
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models you really only know uh the current snapshots final date right but
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current snapshots final date right but
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current snapshots final date right but that doesn't actually tell you what was
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that doesn't actually tell you what was
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that doesn't actually tell you what was in the data set uh I actually have an
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in the data set uh I actually have an
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in the data set uh I actually have an example even from this last week
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example even from this last week
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example even from this last week so uh I've been doing some game
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so uh I've been doing some game
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so uh I've been doing some game development with gdau
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development with gdau
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development with gdau engine um just kind kind of learning
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engine um just kind kind of learning
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engine um just kind kind of learning that and uh when it comes to generating
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that and uh when it comes to generating
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that and uh when it comes to generating code in
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code in
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code in C uh a lot of these large language
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C uh a lot of these large language
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C uh a lot of these large language models are great because the C data set
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models are great because the C data set
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models are great because the C data set is so huge you know uh C is used in
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is so huge you know uh C is used in
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is so huge you know uh C is used in Enterprise applications web applications
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Enterprise applications web applications
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Enterprise applications web applications desktop video games uh all that stuff so
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desktop video games uh all that stuff so
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desktop video games uh all that stuff so when it comes to generating CP code uh
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when it comes to generating CP code uh
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when it comes to generating CP code uh for Full Line code completion or
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for Full Line code completion or
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for Full Line code completion or multi-line completion it typically does
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multi-line completion it typically does
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multi-line completion it typically does a very good job uh but for gdau there's
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a very good job uh but for gdau there's
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a very good job uh but for gdau there's a scripting language called GD script
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a scripting language called GD script
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a scripting language called GD script which is a much smaller Niche
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which is a much smaller Niche
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which is a much smaller Niche Community um the language is really
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Community um the language is really
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Community um the language is really really fun uh it's very python like but
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really fun uh it's very python like but
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really fun uh it's very python like but there's just not a lot of data out there
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there's just not a lot of data out there
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there's just not a lot of data out there in terms of GD script so if you were to
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in terms of GD script so if you were to
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in terms of GD script so if you were to ask an AI model hey generate this in uh
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ask an AI model hey generate this in uh
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ask an AI model hey generate this in uh GD script more often than not it looks
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GD script more often than not it looks
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GD script more often than not it looks at the code and assumes you want python
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at the code and assumes you want python
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at the code and assumes you want python code and not GD script code right yeah
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code and not GD script code right yeah
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code and not GD script code right yeah yeah so those are kind of limitations
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yeah so those are kind of limitations
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yeah so those are kind of limitations that I have personally seen and
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that I have personally seen and
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that I have personally seen and experienced um so like you said I don't
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experienced um so like you said I don't
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experienced um so like you said I don't I don't know if AI is uh it's a tool but
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I don't know if AI is uh it's a tool but
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I don't know if AI is uh it's a tool but I don't think it gives
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I don't think it gives
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I don't think it gives you uh the luxury of turning your brain
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you uh the luxury of turning your brain
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you uh the luxury of turning your brain off anytime soon no no no and and I want
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off anytime soon no no no and and I want
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off anytime soon no no no and and I want to uh talk a little bit about what you
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to uh talk a little bit about what you
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to uh talk a little bit about what you were talking about the explanations you
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were talking about the explanations you
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were talking about the explanations you know you know in co-pilot you know they
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know you know in co-pilot you know they
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know you know in co-pilot you know they have a slash command called explain
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have a slash command called explain
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have a slash command called explain right where you can point it at any code
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right where you can point it at any code
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right where you can point it at any code whether it's yours or not right and it
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whether it's yours or not right and it
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whether it's yours or not right and it will analyze it and explain it to you
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will analyze it and explain it to you
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will analyze it and explain it to you and it does actually a really good job
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and it does actually a really good job
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and it does actually a really good job you know and and even some things like
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you know and and even some things like
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you know and and even some things like uh you know after spon was released on
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uh you know after spon was released on
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uh you know after spon was released on the first I was going okay what what I
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the first I was going okay what what I
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the first I was going okay what what I want to do for the next version and one
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want to do for the next version and one
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want to do for the next version and one of the things that's been on the back
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of the things that's been on the back
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of the things that's been on the back burner for a while is a long time ago I
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burner for a while is a long time ago I
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burner for a while is a long time ago I found a library from zamaron that um uh
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found a library from zamaron that um uh
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found a library from zamaron that um uh made it pretty easy to detect what kind
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made it pretty easy to detect what kind
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made it pretty easy to detect what kind of network connections your computer has
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of network connections your computer has
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of network connections your computer has right um to see if you know things are
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right um to see if you know things are
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right um to see if you know things are up or down and you know all that and and
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up or down and you know all that and and
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up or down and you know all that and and uh but it never I never got it to work
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uh but it never I never got it to work
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uh but it never I never got it to work right and then zon's kind of done anyway
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right and then zon's kind of done anyway
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right and then zon's kind of done anyway and so I I was sitting there going I'd
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and so I I was sitting there going I'd
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and so I I was sitting there going I'd really like to have this feature in
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really like to have this feature in
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really like to have this feature in sparin but I have no idea how to figure
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sparin but I have no idea how to figure
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sparin but I have no idea how to figure this out and and all I did was say and
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this out and and all I did was say and
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this out and and all I did was say and and this isn't really ented on Microsoft
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and this isn't really ented on Microsoft
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and this isn't really ented on Microsoft site uh yet but you know there's a
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site uh yet but you know there's a
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site uh yet but you know there's a command called SL generate right and you
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command called SL generate right and you
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command called SL generate right and you and you can just say generate uh how do
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and you can just say generate uh how do
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and you can just say generate uh how do I detect the network connections on my
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I detect the network connections on my
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I detect the network connections on my computer and Bam it spit it out right
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computer and Bam it spit it out right
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computer and Bam it spit it out right and I didn't use all the code I changed
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and I didn't use all the code I changed
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and I didn't use all the code I changed it I I made it much different but it
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it I I made it much different but it
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it I I made it much different but it told me the library that was already
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told me the library that was already
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told me the library that was already inet which I didn't know about to get
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inet which I didn't know about to get
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inet which I didn't know about to get this information right so now with spon
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this information right so now with spon
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this information right so now with spon you can detect all your network
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you can detect all your network
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you can detect all your network connections
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connections
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connections including Bluetooth that's really cool
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including Bluetooth that's really cool
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including Bluetooth that's really cool yeah yeah I I I will say you know like
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yeah yeah I I I will say you know like
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yeah yeah I I I will say you know like uh when it comes to code
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uh when it comes to code
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uh when it comes to code Generation Um I know a lot of people are
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Generation Um I know a lot of people are
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Generation Um I know a lot of people are kind of worried like oh uh AI is just
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kind of worried like oh uh AI is just
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kind of worried like oh uh AI is just going to copy my code and then not give
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going to copy my code and then not give
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going to copy my code and then not give me credit but the thing I've started to
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me credit but the thing I've started to
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me credit but the thing I've started to realize like I'm an open source author
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realize like I'm an open source author
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realize like I'm an open source author you're an open- Source author I think
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you're an open- Source author I think
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you're an open- Source author I think for me if these AI
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for me if these AI
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for me if these AI models um could generate like samples
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models um could generate like samples
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models um could generate like samples using my library which more often than
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using my library which more often than
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using my library which more often than not it's going to do that right like
41:08
not it's going to do that right like
41:08
not it's going to do that right like rather than give you you know a
41:10
rather than give you you know a
41:10
rather than give you you know a libraryies codebase that is you know
41:13
libraryies codebase that is you know
41:13
libraryies codebase that is you know thousands of files
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thousands of files
41:15
thousands of files big what's more likely going to come out
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big what's more likely going to come out
41:17
big what's more likely going to come out of these language models is a reference
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of these language models is a reference
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of these language models is a reference to your open source library and I think
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to your open source library and I think
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to your open source library and I think from that perspective as open- Source
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from that perspective as open- Source
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from that perspective as open- Source authors you now have a new outlet for
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authors you now have a new outlet for
41:30
authors you now have a new outlet for people to discover your libraries and
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people to discover your libraries and
41:33
people to discover your libraries and potentially use them and I think that's
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potentially use them and I think that's
41:35
potentially use them and I think that's kind of a good aspect of AI um I will
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kind of a good aspect of AI um I will
41:40
kind of a good aspect of AI um I will say though uh recently I saw that's also
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say though uh recently I saw that's also
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say though uh recently I saw that's also been an attack Vector on stack Overflow
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been an attack Vector on stack Overflow
41:46
been an attack Vector on stack Overflow uh people are pasting samples to python
41:49
uh people are pasting samples to python
41:49
uh people are pasting samples to python packages uh that essentially steal
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packages uh that essentially steal
41:51
packages uh that essentially steal people's crypto wallets and stuff like
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people's crypto wallets and stuff like
41:53
people's crypto wallets and stuff like that so uh again this is you as a
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that so uh again this is you as a
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that so uh again this is you as a developer don't stop thinking you got
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developer don't stop thinking you got
41:59
developer don't stop thinking you got you got to keep thinking so yeah it's
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you got to keep thinking so yeah it's
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you got to keep thinking so yeah it's important and you know the one thing and
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important and you know the one thing and
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important and you know the one thing and and I'm sure you know um applications
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and I'm sure you know um applications
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and I'm sure you know um applications like copilot will get better at this uh
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like copilot will get better at this uh
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like copilot will get better at this uh and it does do this somewhat but it
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and it does do this somewhat but it
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and it does do this somewhat but it actually learns what you like to do
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actually learns what you like to do
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actually learns what you like to do right and like it how you like I'm using
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right and like it how you like I'm using
42:19
right and like it how you like I'm using copilot to write all the documentation
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copilot to write all the documentation
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copilot to write all the documentation in my stuff in my open source library
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in my stuff in my open source library
42:24
in my stuff in my open source library now right and it kind of learned some of
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now right and it kind of learned some of
42:26
now right and it kind of learned some of the stuff you keep asking it and it
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the stuff you keep asking it and it
42:28
the stuff you keep asking it and it remembers it right and the next time you
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remembers it right and the next time you
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remembers it right and the next time you won't you know it actually learns right
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won't you know it actually learns right
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won't you know it actually learns right or even um you know most I have a an
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or even um you know most I have a an
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or even um you know most I have a an attribute in uh in sparton that I use
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attribute in uh in sparton that I use
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attribute in uh in sparton that I use almost on every method in class and it's
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almost on every method in class and it's
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almost on every method in class and it's called the information art attribute and
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called the information art attribute and
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called the information art attribute and and the information attribute provides a
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and the information attribute provides a
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and the information attribute provides a bunch of information that makes it
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bunch of information that makes it
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bunch of information that makes it easier for me to maintain my library
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easier for me to maintain my library
42:54
easier for me to maintain my library like have I optimized the code in this
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like have I optimized the code in this
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like have I optimized the code in this method have I benchmarked it have I unit
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method have I benchmarked it have I unit
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method have I benchmarked it have I unit tested it you know what's the state of
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tested it you know what's the state of
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tested it you know what's the state of all this stuff and it starts adding
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all this stuff and it starts adding
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all this stuff and it starts adding those to your methods when it learns
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those to your methods when it learns
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those to your methods when it learns that it's on almost every single method
43:08
that it's on almost every single method
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that it's on almost every single method in spon right and it starts adding it it
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in spon right and it starts adding it it
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in spon right and it starts adding it it doesn't add it completely correct like
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doesn't add it completely correct like
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doesn't add it completely correct like with a correct dates and everything but
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with a correct dates and everything but
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with a correct dates and everything but it it still tries to start learning your
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it it still tries to start learning your
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it it still tries to start learning your method how you do things and so it's not
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method how you do things and so it's not
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method how you do things and so it's not just you know here's what Microsoft says
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just you know here's what Microsoft says
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just you know here's what Microsoft says to do and you can only do it this way
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to do and you can only do it this way
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to do and you can only do it this way we're going to adapt to the way you do
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we're going to adapt to the way you do
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we're going to adapt to the way you do things right yeah you know uh this is
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things right yeah you know uh this is
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things right yeah you know uh this is this is this is an idea I've kind of
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this is this is an idea I've kind of
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this is this is an idea I've kind of been batting around in my head and
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been batting around in my head and
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been batting around in my head and potentially what I think the future of
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potentially what I think the future of
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potentially what I think the future of software at least senior software
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software at least senior software
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software at least senior software developers might be on um software
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developers might be on um software
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developers might be on um software development teams is you know the one of
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development teams is you know the one of
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development teams is you know the one of the roles of a senior developer is to
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the roles of a senior developer is to
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the roles of a senior developer is to kind of help you know mid and Junior
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kind of help you know mid and Junior
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kind of help you know mid and Junior developers and guide them to correct
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developers and guide them to correct
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developers and guide them to correct Solutions right and
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Solutions right and
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Solutions right and uh funny enough this is kind of my role
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uh funny enough this is kind of my role
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uh funny enough this is kind of my role as a developer Advocate as well I write
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as a developer Advocate as well I write
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as a developer Advocate as well I write a lot of tutorials I talk to a lot of
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a lot of tutorials I talk to a lot of
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a lot of tutorials I talk to a lot of people uh try to get them situated and
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people uh try to get them situated and
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people uh try to get them situated and in the right direction in terms of
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in the right direction in terms of
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in the right direction in terms of solutions but with llms in the mix I
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solutions but with llms in the mix I
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solutions but with llms in the mix I could really see companies investing in
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could really see companies investing in
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could really see companies investing in a team of senior developers who write a
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a team of senior developers who write a
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a team of senior developers who write a bunch of sample code for what they think
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bunch of sample code for what they think
44:24
bunch of sample code for what they think is kind of the right way to you know
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is kind of the right way to you know
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is kind of the right way to you know maybe write a unit test or to solve
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maybe write a unit test or to solve
44:29
maybe write a unit test or to solve particular
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particular
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particular problems uh and then you'll have this
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problems uh and then you'll have this
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problems uh and then you'll have this kind of proprietary company focused code
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kind of proprietary company focused code
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kind of proprietary company focused code sample uh data set and then that data
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sample uh data set and then that data
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sample uh data set and then that data set could potentially be used to train
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set could potentially be used to train
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set could potentially be used to train an llm that could be used by Junior
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an llm that could be used by Junior
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an llm that could be used by Junior mid-level developers to uh you know
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mid-level developers to uh you know
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mid-level developers to uh you know really have a fine-tune model for the
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really have a fine-tune model for the
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really have a fine-tune model for the particular domain problem that you're
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particular domain problem that you're
44:55
particular domain problem that you're solving
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solving
44:57
solving um in addition to a senior developer
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um in addition to a senior developer
44:59
um in addition to a senior developer helping people from a personal and soft
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helping people from a personal and soft
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helping people from a personal and soft skills perspective right they can have
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skills perspective right they can have
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skills perspective right they can have this llm that's fine-tuned on the skills
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this llm that's fine-tuned on the skills
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this llm that's fine-tuned on the skills of uh people at the company yeah and
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of uh people at the company yeah and
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of uh people at the company yeah and that would be a great addition you know
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that would be a great addition you know
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that would be a great addition you know and I'm sure that's coming you know at
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and I'm sure that's coming you know at
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and I'm sure that's coming you know at some point but you know uh but you're
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some point but you know uh but you're
45:18
some point but you know uh but you're right you know it's yeah Someone Like A
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right you know it's yeah Someone Like A
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right you know it's yeah Someone Like A a senior or principal software engineer
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a senior or principal software engineer
45:23
a senior or principal software engineer like I've been can write these things
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like I've been can write these things
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like I've been can write these things and then you know have like something in
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and then you know have like something in
45:28
and then you know have like something in Visual Studio make sure those things are
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Visual Studio make sure those things are
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Visual Studio make sure those things are getting applied you know it's it's I I
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getting applied you know it's it's I I
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getting applied you know it's it's I I know we have you know uh I would say
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know we have you know uh I would say
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know we have you know uh I would say crude capabilities of this you know
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crude capabilities of this you know
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crude capabilities of this you know compared to AI in in in refactoring
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compared to AI in in in refactoring
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compared to AI in in in refactoring tools and visual studio and things like
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tools and visual studio and things like
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tools and visual studio and things like that but um that takes a lot of work to
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that but um that takes a lot of work to
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that but um that takes a lot of work to to make sure everybody's following it
45:49
to make sure everybody's following it
45:49
to make sure everybody's following it and everything like that so I think if
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and everything like that so I think if
45:52
and everything like that so I think if you can employ things like that in Ai
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you can employ things like that in Ai
45:55
you can employ things like that in Ai and every time it builds as as hey uh
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and every time it builds as as hey uh
45:58
and every time it builds as as hey uh you didn't do this exactly to company
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you didn't do this exactly to company
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you didn't do this exactly to company standards you need to go back and fix it
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standards you need to go back and fix it
46:01
standards you need to go back and fix it and you know things like that yeah I I
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and you know things like that yeah I I
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and you know things like that yeah I I I'm sure that's coming you know it's
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I'm sure that's coming you know it's
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I'm sure that's coming you know it's going to take a while but yeah but you
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going to take a while but yeah but you
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going to take a while but yeah but you know I again I see
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know I again I see
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know I again I see like you know right now the llms that
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like you know right now the llms that
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like you know right now the llms that people are using are very general models
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people are using are very general models
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people are using are very general models yeah so like as companies essentially
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yeah so like as companies essentially
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yeah so like as companies essentially find tune this kind of goes back to your
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find tune this kind of goes back to your
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find tune this kind of goes back to your first point if your ability to
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first point if your ability to
46:25
first point if your ability to communicate not only in like written
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communicate not only in like written
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communicate not only in like written human texts but to clearly communicate
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human texts but to clearly communicate
46:31
human texts but to clearly communicate intent and
46:32
intent and
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intent and codeh um if you practice those skills I
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codeh um if you practice those skills I
46:37
codeh um if you practice those skills I really see that being a plus for the
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really see that being a plus for the
46:39
really see that being a plus for the future because you're going to be
46:40
future because you're going to be
46:40
future because you're going to be producing a lot of this code that is
46:43
producing a lot of this code that is
46:43
producing a lot of this code that is helpful in solving problems yeah but
46:45
helpful in solving problems yeah but
46:45
helpful in solving problems yeah but also valuable to folks building llms
46:48
also valuable to folks building llms
46:49
also valuable to folks building llms that could potentially be used by
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that could potentially be used by
46:50
that could potentially be used by companies to uh increase their
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companies to uh increase their
46:53
companies to uh increase their productivity so um I think this stuff's
46:57
productivity so um I think this stuff's
46:57
productivity so um I think this stuff's come full circle like that and um this
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come full circle like that and um this
47:01
come full circle like that and um this is where I think
47:03
is where I think
47:04
is where I think like as advice for developers out there
47:06
like as advice for developers out there
47:06
like as advice for developers out there it's like get out there and solve real
47:09
it's like get out there and solve real
47:09
it's like get out there and solve real problems uh the leak code stuff is fun
47:12
problems uh the leak code stuff is fun
47:12
problems uh the leak code stuff is fun and it's neat like it's a fun sport in a
47:15
and it's neat like it's a fun sport in a
47:15
and it's neat like it's a fun sport in a sense but I also feel like it's not
47:18
sense but I also feel like it's not
47:18
sense but I also feel like it's not really based in reality in terms of what
47:21
really based in reality in terms of what
47:21
really based in reality in terms of what most people are doing so yeah um get
47:24
most people are doing so yeah um get
47:24
most people are doing so yeah um get involved with open source um write a lot
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involved with open source um write a lot
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involved with open source um write a lot of samples for yourself to try to better
47:29
of samples for yourself to try to better
47:29
of samples for yourself to try to better understand how to use a particular
47:31
understand how to use a particular
47:31
understand how to use a particular library and uh talk to talk to other
47:35
library and uh talk to talk to other
47:35
library and uh talk to talk to other people I think talking to other people's
47:37
people I think talking to other people's
47:37
people I think talking to other people's super important so oh yes and and that's
47:40
super important so oh yes and and that's
47:40
super important so oh yes and and that's one thing I I bring up in this new
47:41
one thing I I bring up in this new
47:41
one thing I I bring up in this new article I'm writing is that you know and
47:44
article I'm writing is that you know and
47:44
article I'm writing is that you know and I I will always not stop talking about
47:47
I I will always not stop talking about
47:47
I I will always not stop talking about the power of of talking to people in
47:49
the power of of talking to people in
47:49
the power of of talking to people in person right and that you know these
47:52
person right and that you know these
47:52
person right and that you know these virtual events you know uh either
47:54
virtual events you know uh either
47:54
virtual events you know uh either meetups or user groups or even conferen
47:57
meetups or user groups or even conferen
47:57
meetups or user groups or even conferen just don't in my book that's not where
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just don't in my book that's not where
48:00
just don't in my book that's not where the value is for me it's never been the
48:02
the value is for me it's never been the
48:02
the value is for me it's never been the value to me going to events like that
48:04
value to me going to events like that
48:04
value to me going to events like that the value always to me is talking to
48:07
the value always to me is talking to
48:07
the value always to me is talking to people right because you will learn you
48:09
people right because you will learn you
48:09
people right because you will learn you will learn so much
48:12
will learn so much
48:12
will learn so much more in then you learn in the conference
48:15
more in then you learn in the conference
48:15
more in then you learn in the conference just by talking to people y right and
48:18
just by talking to people y right and
48:18
just by talking to people y right and and and then especially when you get to
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and and then especially when you get to
48:20
and and then especially when you get to talk to people you can maybe you know
48:22
talk to people you can maybe you know
48:22
talk to people you can maybe you know ask specific questions based on the
48:24
ask specific questions based on the
48:25
ask specific questions based on the challenges you're going through at work
48:26
challenges you're going through at work
48:26
challenges you're going through at work and you know things like that like at
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and you know things like that like at
48:28
and you know things like that like at one time I remember of course this is a
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one time I remember of course this is a
48:30
one time I remember of course this is a long time ago because Microsoft held it
48:33
long time ago because Microsoft held it
48:33
long time ago because Microsoft held it here in San Diego but I went to uh I
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here in San Diego but I went to uh I
48:35
here in San Diego but I went to uh I think it was a tech ad back before build
48:38
think it was a tech ad back before build
48:38
think it was a tech ad back before build it was Tech ad right and and uh I
48:42
it was Tech ad right and and uh I
48:42
it was Tech ad right and and uh I remember I was working at this uh uh
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remember I was working at this uh uh
48:45
remember I was working at this uh uh e-commerce company and we were you know
48:47
e-commerce company and we were you know
48:48
e-commerce company and we were you know in the midst of trying to figure out how
48:49
in the midst of trying to figure out how
48:49
in the midst of trying to figure out how to migrate our systems onto a completely
48:52
to migrate our systems onto a completely
48:52
to migrate our systems onto a completely new system that me and uh someone else
48:54
new system that me and uh someone else
48:55
new system that me and uh someone else uh architected and the challenges
48:57
uh architected and the challenges
48:57
uh architected and the challenges involved especially when it comes to the
48:59
involved especially when it comes to the
48:59
involved especially when it comes to the data data the the database was the
49:01
data data the the database was the
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data data the the database was the biggest problem right and so it just so
49:05
biggest problem right and so it just so
49:05
biggest problem right and so it just so happened I was sitting at this table I
49:07
happened I was sitting at this table I
49:07
happened I was sitting at this table I wasn't even I don't think I was even
49:08
wasn't even I don't think I was even
49:09
wasn't even I don't think I was even talking to somebody at first and there
49:11
talking to somebody at first and there
49:11
talking to somebody at first and there was a guy there I always remember he
49:13
was a guy there I always remember he
49:13
was a guy there I always remember he from State Farm who have been going
49:15
from State Farm who have been going
49:15
from State Farm who have been going through the same thing right and he
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through the same thing right and he
49:18
through the same thing right and he basically told me or everybody at the
49:21
basically told me or everybody at the
49:21
basically told me or everybody at the table how they're approaching this until
49:23
table how they're approaching this until
49:23
table how they're approaching this until they can get everything moved over and I
49:25
they can get everything moved over and I
49:25
they can get everything moved over and I go wow that's a really good idea let me
49:27
go wow that's a really good idea let me
49:27
go wow that's a really good idea let me take this back to the database people at
49:29
take this back to the database people at
49:29
take this back to the database people at work right and and you just can't get
49:32
work right and and you just can't get
49:32
work right and and you just can't get that sitting in a session or sitting in
49:34
that sitting in a session or sitting in
49:34
that sitting in a session or sitting in a Meetup online Meetup or anything like
49:36
a Meetup online Meetup or anything like
49:36
a Meetup online Meetup or anything like that right yeah you're you're right like
49:39
that right yeah you're you're right like
49:39
that right yeah you're you're right like you know the the thing I appreciate
49:41
you know the the thing I appreciate
49:41
you know the the thing I appreciate about like shows like this uh and just
49:44
about like shows like this uh and just
49:44
about like shows like this uh and just hearing more from people doing.net you
49:47
hearing more from people doing.net you
49:47
hearing more from people doing.net you know it's nice to hear um you know about
49:51
know it's nice to hear um you know about
49:51
know it's nice to hear um you know about products and libraries that are
49:53
products and libraries that are
49:53
products and libraries that are happening in the space but uh sometimes
49:55
happening in the space but uh sometimes
49:55
happening in the space but uh sometimes the thing I miss in the net space which
49:57
the thing I miss in the net space which
49:57
the thing I miss in the net space which I think shows like this kind of uh
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I think shows like this kind of uh
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I think shows like this kind of uh provide uh so that's why I'm so
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provide uh so that's why I'm so
50:02
provide uh so that's why I'm so appreciative being here but like just
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appreciative being here but like just
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appreciative being here but like just hearing real people trying to solve real
50:08
hearing real people trying to solve real
50:08
hearing real people trying to solve real problems uh and you know it's not always
50:10
problems uh and you know it's not always
50:10
problems uh and you know it's not always glamorous we all make mistakes uh we all
50:14
glamorous we all make mistakes uh we all
50:14
glamorous we all make mistakes uh we all learn from those mistakes and we get
50:15
learn from those mistakes and we get
50:16
learn from those mistakes and we get better so like for me I always find it
50:19
better so like for me I always find it
50:19
better so like for me I always find it fun to read people's blog posts that are
50:23
fun to read people's blog posts that are
50:23
fun to read people's blog posts that are um not only informative and telling you
50:26
um not only informative and telling you
50:26
um not only informative and telling you maybe hey this is what worked for me but
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maybe hey this is what worked for me but
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maybe hey this is what worked for me but also describing oh here are some of the
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also describing oh here are some of the
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also describing oh here are some of the challenges that I faced and like you
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challenges that I faced and like you
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challenges that I faced and like you said communicating with other people you
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said communicating with other people you
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said communicating with other people you get this kind of
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get this kind of
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get this kind of unfiltered real connection and I think
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unfiltered real connection and I think
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unfiltered real connection and I think that's what community is about building
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that's what community is about building
50:43
that's what community is about building those kind of connections with people so
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those kind of connections with people so
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those kind of connections with people so pretty cool and and unfortunately I you
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pretty cool and and unfortunately I you
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pretty cool and and unfortunately I you know I don't know how it is in in your
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know I don't know how it is in in your
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know I don't know how it is in in your area in in Philadelphia but uh or
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area in in Philadelphia but uh or
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area in in Philadelphia but uh or Pennsylvania that you know like all the
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Pennsylvania that you know like all the
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Pennsylvania that you know like all the user groups have dried up here here in
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user groups have dried up here here in
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user groups have dried up here here in Southern California right and so we
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Southern California right and so we
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Southern California right and so we don't have these opportunities anymore
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don't have these opportunities anymore
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don't have these opportunities anymore and I really hate it you know I really
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and I really hate it you know I really
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and I really hate it you know I really don't like it because I don't get to
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don't like it because I don't get to
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don't like it because I don't get to talk to people I don't get to hear other
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talk to people I don't get to hear other
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talk to people I don't get to hear other ideas I don't get to talk to recruiters
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ideas I don't get to talk to recruiters
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ideas I don't get to talk to recruiters you know when I need them to look for a
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you know when I need them to look for a
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you know when I need them to look for a job and and you know that you're being
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job and and you know that you're being
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job and and you know that you're being in person is just invaluable to me right
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in person is just invaluable to me right
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in person is just invaluable to me right and yeah and in all my writings I try to
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and yeah and in all my writings I try to
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and yeah and in all my writings I try to encourage especially the younger
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encourage especially the younger
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encourage especially the younger developers to to to get out of their
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developers to to to get out of their
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developers to to to get out of their comfort zone and go talk to people right
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comfort zone and go talk to people right
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comfort zone and go talk to people right cuz you know that's
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cuz you know that's
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cuz you know that's really the community is to me is the
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really the community is to me is the
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really the community is to me is the number one thing on learning and and
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number one thing on learning and and
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number one thing on learning and and finding a job and I found more jobs
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finding a job and I found more jobs
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finding a job and I found more jobs working in community than any other
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working in community than any other
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working in community than any other method right and um it's just so
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method right and um it's just so
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method right and um it's just so powerful and I and I wish you know we
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powerful and I and I wish you know we
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powerful and I and I wish you know we could get back more to that like it was
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could get back more to that like it was
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could get back more to that like it was you know in the you know 90s or early
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you know in the you know 90s or early
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you know in the you know 90s or early 2000s right yeah I wonder I wonder if
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2000s right yeah I wonder I wonder if
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2000s right yeah I wonder I wonder if that's just a symptom of love
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that's just a symptom of love
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that's just a symptom of love like um you know in the net space in
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like um you know in the net space in
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like um you know in the net space in particular we're kind of
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particular we're kind of
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particular we're kind of always uh sold this message that um you
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always uh sold this message that um you
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always uh sold this message that um you can always write more C to solve any
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can always write more C to solve any
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can always write more C to solve any problem um maybe that's true maybe it's
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problem um maybe that's true maybe it's
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problem um maybe that's true maybe it's not true but it does kind of the the net
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not true but it does kind of the the net
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not true but it does kind of the the net Space is really built around the Lone
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Space is really built around the Lone
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Space is really built around the Lone Hero yeah uh do more with less kind of
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Hero yeah uh do more with less kind of
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Hero yeah uh do more with less kind of philosophy
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philosophy
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philosophy and I can see that being helpful for
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and I can see that being helpful for
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and I can see that being helpful for small and small teams of software
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small and small teams of software
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small and small teams of software developers to do more with less but I
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developers to do more with less but I
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developers to do more with less but I also think it like fundamentally
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also think it like fundamentally
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also think it like fundamentally positions allet developers into this com
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positions allet developers into this com
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positions allet developers into this com competitive space where it's like oh I
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competitive space where it's like oh I
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competitive space where it's like oh I gotta I gotta beat that guy and I gotta
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gotta I gotta beat that guy and I gotta
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gotta I gotta beat that guy and I gotta beat that gal and it's like I gotta I
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beat that gal and it's like I gotta I
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beat that gal and it's like I gotta I gotta find my Edge uh in this
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gotta find my Edge uh in this
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gotta find my Edge uh in this space like people on Twitter say well
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space like people on Twitter say well
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space like people on Twitter say well you not a real developer if you don't do
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you not a real developer if you don't do
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you not a real developer if you don't do this I'm going are you kidding me yeah
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this I'm going are you kidding me yeah
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this I'm going are you kidding me yeah yeah that's your opinion but it's not
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yeah that's your opinion but it's not
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yeah that's your opinion but it's not true to for everybody right so you know
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true to for everybody right so you know
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true to for everybody right so you know uh at at jet brains I get a lot of
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uh at at jet brains I get a lot of
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uh at at jet brains I get a lot of opportunity to dabble in other
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opportunity to dabble in other
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opportunity to dabble in other communities like Java uh I've been to
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communities like Java uh I've been to
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communities like Java uh I've been to Ruby
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Ruby
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Ruby conferences um I just helped the rust
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conferences um I just helped the rust
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conferences um I just helped the rust team uh you know announce rust Rover and
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team uh you know announce rust Rover and
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team uh you know announce rust Rover and uh I I just wrote a Java article so it's
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uh I I just wrote a Java article so it's
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uh I I just wrote a Java article so it's like I get to kind of see a lot of the
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like I get to kind of see a lot of the
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like I get to kind of see a lot of the other communities as well and um I can
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other communities as well and um I can
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other communities as well and um I can see some of the things that other
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see some of the things that other
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see some of the things that other communities are doing that maybe I'd
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communities are doing that maybe I'd
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communities are doing that maybe I'd love to see kind of migrate or find its
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love to see kind of migrate or find its
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love to see kind of migrate or find its way into net um from a community
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way into net um from a community
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way into net um from a community perspective uh and I think again like
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perspective uh and I think again like
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perspective uh and I think again like I'm not not trying to not trying to
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I'm not not trying to not trying to
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I'm not not trying to not trying to boost your ego here David but like shows
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boost your ego here David but like shows
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boost your ego here David but like shows like this I think are are really helpful
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like this I think are are really helpful
53:52
like this I think are are really helpful to kind of bring communities together
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to kind of bring communities together
53:55
to kind of bring communities together realize it's not so competitive we don't
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realize it's not so competitive we don't
53:58
realize it's not so competitive we don't need to kind of like beat beat up on
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need to kind of like beat beat up on
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need to kind of like beat beat up on each other we can kind of help support
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each other we can kind of help support
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each other we can kind of help support each other and kind of uh we'll all
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each other and kind of uh we'll all
54:06
each other and kind of uh we'll all succeed because of that so and that and
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succeed because of that so and that and
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succeed because of that so and that and that's what I truly believe is that if
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that's what I truly believe is that if
54:10
that's what I truly believe is that if we all work together we could all
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we all work together we could all
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we all work together we could all succeed you know we're all in this
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succeed you know we're all in this
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succeed you know we're all in this together and and like you said it's not
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together and and like you said it's not
54:15
together and and like you said it's not an individual sport right it's a team
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an individual sport right it's a team
54:18
an individual sport right it's a team sport and we're all in it together and
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sport and we're all in it together and
54:20
sport and we're all in it together and sharing your knowledge I think is
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sharing your knowledge I think is
54:22
sharing your knowledge I think is Paramount right not only because you
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Paramount right not only because you
54:25
Paramount right not only because you should but because you'll learn more by
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should but because you'll learn more by
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should but because you'll learn more by doing that right yeah and and and so you
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doing that right yeah and and and so you
54:31
doing that right yeah and and and so you know and I and I've stated this before
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know and I and I've stated this before
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know and I and I've stated this before it's in my new article too is I totally
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it's in my new article too is I totally
54:37
it's in my new article too is I totally realize that you know a lot of
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realize that you know a lot of
54:39
realize that you know a lot of developers are
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developers are
54:41
developers are introverts and I still consider myself
54:43
introverts and I still consider myself
54:43
introverts and I still consider myself an introvert you know a lot of
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an introvert you know a lot of
54:44
an introvert you know a lot of developers have impostor syndrome I
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developers have impostor syndrome I
54:47
developers have impostor syndrome I definitely do right we all it's a common
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definitely do right we all it's a common
54:50
definitely do right we all it's a common trait with software developers right and
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trait with software developers right and
54:52
trait with software developers right and so but I'm here to tell you you can get
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so but I'm here to tell you you can get
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so but I'm here to tell you you can get over it because I did right and and and
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over it because I did right and and and
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over it because I did right and and and I believe if I could do it then anybody
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I believe if I could do it then anybody
55:01
I believe if I could do it then anybody could do it right and that's probably my
55:03
could do it right and that's probably my
55:03
could do it right and that's probably my imposter syndrome showing but you know
55:06
imposter syndrome showing but you know
55:06
imposter syndrome showing but you know but we can do this together we can make
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but we can do this together we can make
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but we can do this together we can make things together yeah we we can't share
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things together yeah we we can't share
55:11
things together yeah we we can't share proprietary stuff but we can share
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proprietary stuff but we can share
55:13
proprietary stuff but we can share everything else right yeah and again
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everything else right yeah and again
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everything else right yeah and again that's kind of um you know like uh my
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that's kind of um you know like uh my
55:19
that's kind of um you know like uh my colleague Rachel she does like a monthly
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colleague Rachel she does like a monthly
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colleague Rachel she does like a monthly newsletter where she kind of finds
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newsletter where she kind of finds
55:24
newsletter where she kind of finds really interesting blog posts from the
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really interesting blog posts from the
55:26
really interesting blog posts from the community and I've known her forever you
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community and I've known her forever you
55:28
community and I've known her forever you know yeah Rachel Rachel's great I I
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know yeah Rachel Rachel's great I I
55:31
know yeah Rachel Rachel's great I I really enjoy working with her um and
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really enjoy working with her um and
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really enjoy working with her um and that's a really good place uh we
55:35
that's a really good place uh we
55:35
that's a really good place uh we actually if anybody ever writes a blog
55:37
actually if anybody ever writes a blog
55:37
actually if anybody ever writes a blog post they can email it to us and uh we'd
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post they can email it to us and uh we'd
55:40
post they can email it to us and uh we'd be happy to kind of put it in our
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be happy to kind of put it in our
55:41
be happy to kind of put it in our newsletter as well um but all that kind
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newsletter as well um but all that kind
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newsletter as well um but all that kind of stuff is really uh beneficial and uh
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of stuff is really uh beneficial and uh
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of stuff is really uh beneficial and uh you know the thing that I've kind of
55:50
you know the thing that I've kind of
55:50
you know the thing that I've kind of been working on over the last year is uh
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been working on over the last year is uh
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been working on over the last year is uh I looked at the JavaScript space and
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I looked at the JavaScript space and
55:56
I looked at the JavaScript space and there's this Library called HTM X and I
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there's this Library called HTM X and I
55:59
there's this Library called HTM X and I ended up writing a library called HTM
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ended up writing a library called HTM
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ended up writing a library called HTM x.net which uses aspet core tag helpers
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x.net which uses aspet core tag helpers
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x.net which uses aspet core tag helpers to make the integration between this
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to make the integration between this
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to make the integration between this JavaScript library and aspet core that
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JavaScript library and aspet core that
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JavaScript library and aspet core that much better and I just did this out of
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much better and I just did this out of
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much better and I just did this out of like a whim because I'm like oh this is
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like a whim because I'm like oh this is
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like a whim because I'm like oh this is really cool this is a cool thing
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really cool this is a cool thing
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really cool this is a cool thing happening in the other community yeah
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happening in the other community yeah
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happening in the other community yeah and there's a lot of Awesomeness inside
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and there's a lot of Awesomeness inside
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and there's a lot of Awesomeness inside of pet core and with
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of pet core and with
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of pet core and with Razer and I wanted to see how that
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Razer and I wanted to see how that
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Razer and I wanted to see how that interaction would happen and I that
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interaction would happen and I that
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interaction would happen and I that library has somewhat become popular and
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library has somewhat become popular and
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library has somewhat become popular and folks are really kind of starting to
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folks are really kind of starting to
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folks are really kind of starting to coales around it we're starting to have
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coales around it we're starting to have
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coales around it we're starting to have more
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more
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more conversations uh we're also having
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conversations uh we're also having
56:46
conversations uh we're also having conversations around like how do you
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conversations around like how do you
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conversations around like how do you actually want to build your web
56:51
actually want to build your web
56:51
actually want to build your web applications uh and I think that stuff
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applications uh and I think that stuff
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applications uh and I think that stuff is really really interesting to me so
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is really really interesting to me so
56:56
is really really interesting to me so yeah uh if folks want to check that out
56:58
yeah uh if folks want to check that out
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yeah uh if folks want to check that out uh you can get the new get package we
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uh you can get the new get package we
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uh you can get the new get package we didn't get to talk about that very much
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didn't get to talk about that very much
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didn't get to talk about that very much but yeah we talked about AI almost the
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but yeah we talked about AI almost the
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but yeah we talked about AI almost the whole freaking show so it's fine it's
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whole freaking show so it's fine it's
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whole freaking show so it's fine it's fine we're we're having fun that's the
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fine we're we're having fun that's the
57:07
fine we're we're having fun that's the way it goes on this show we just talk
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way it goes on this show we just talk
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way it goes on this show we just talk about whatever you know there's no
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about whatever you know there's no
57:10
about whatever you know there's no there's no real schedule yeah most most
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there's no real schedule yeah most most
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there's no real schedule yeah most most of the time well I gota let you go so
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of the time well I gota let you go so
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of the time well I gota let you go so Simon can uh go and do whatever he does
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Simon can uh go and do whatever he does
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Simon can uh go and do whatever he does at night time so
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at night time so
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at night time so um it's been uh great having you on the
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um it's been uh great having you on the
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um it's been uh great having you on the show it's been uh I I've really enjoyed
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show it's been uh I I've really enjoyed
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show it's been uh I I've really enjoyed this conversation I always enjoy talking
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this conversation I always enjoy talking
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this conversation I always enjoy talking to you uh but out of the three times
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to you uh but out of the three times
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to you uh but out of the three times you've been here I think this is
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you've been here I think this is
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you've been here I think this is definitely my favorite so oh all right
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definitely my favorite so oh all right
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definitely my favorite so oh all right thank you yeah uh but I I really enjoy
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thank you yeah uh but I I really enjoy
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thank you yeah uh but I I really enjoy having you on show and and uh I hope you
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having you on show and and uh I hope you
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having you on show and and uh I hope you have a great rest of the weekend and is
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have a great rest of the weekend and is
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have a great rest of the weekend and is there anything else you want to say
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there anything else you want to say
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there anything else you want to say before I let you go no thank you for
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before I let you go no thank you for
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before I let you go no thank you for adding me I en always enjoy talking to
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adding me I en always enjoy talking to
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adding me I en always enjoy talking to you I think this uh is fun and I always
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you I think this uh is fun and I always
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you I think this uh is fun and I always enjoy talking to other people so uh
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enjoy talking to other people so uh
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enjoy talking to other people so uh folks have a good one thanks for having
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folks have a good one thanks for having
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folks have a good one thanks for having me and I'll just say goodbye now okay
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me and I'll just say goodbye now okay
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me and I'll just say goodbye now okay bye thanks a lot well that was a really
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bye thanks a lot well that was a really
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bye thanks a lot well that was a really uh great episode with uh khed I I really
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uh great episode with uh khed I I really
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uh great episode with uh khed I I really enjoy talking to him as you can see I I
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enjoy talking to him as you can see I I
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enjoy talking to him as you can see I I think I was smiling pretty much the
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think I was smiling pretty much the
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think I was smiling pretty much the entire episode so uh I hope more people
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entire episode so uh I hope more people
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entire episode so uh I hope more people I hope people watch this record because
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I hope people watch this record because
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I hope people watch this record because it doesn't look like there's anybody
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it doesn't look like there's anybody
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it doesn't look like there's anybody watching live so um all of you watching
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watching live so um all of you watching
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watching live so um all of you watching recording please uh I I hope you like
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recording please uh I I hope you like
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recording please uh I I hope you like this and and let us know how you like
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this and and let us know how you like
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this and and let us know how you like the show I I have my email coming up
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the show I I have my email coming up
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the show I I have my email coming up here oops
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here oops
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here oops in a second let me click on the right
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in a second let me click on the right
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in a second let me click on the right thing okay so here's my geek humor uh
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thing okay so here's my geek humor uh
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thing okay so here's my geek humor uh for this month how do you like unit test
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for this month how do you like unit test
58:36
for this month how do you like unit test I hate it you're hired startup yeah we
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I hate it you're hired startup yeah we
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I hate it you're hired startup yeah we kind of just talked about that a little
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kind of just talked about that a little
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kind of just talked about that a little bit Yeah in the startup uh there's not a
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bit Yeah in the startup uh there's not a
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bit Yeah in the startup uh there's not a lot of unit tests if any uh but you know
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lot of unit tests if any uh but you know
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lot of unit tests if any uh but you know there's a point where you have to start
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there's a point where you have to start
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there's a point where you have to start adding them remind this reminds me of
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adding them remind this reminds me of
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adding them remind this reminds me of this company I worked here in San Diego
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this company I worked here in San Diego
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this company I worked here in San Diego where uh you know I brought up the issue
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where uh you know I brought up the issue
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where uh you know I brought up the issue when I first started the company you
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when I first started the company you
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when I first started the company you know why doesn't this huge application
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know why doesn't this huge application
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know why doesn't this huge application have any unit tests and you'll have to
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have any unit tests and you'll have to
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have any unit tests and you'll have to read the article to find out the answer
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read the article to find out the answer
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read the article to find out the answer but you know when I started the company
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but you know when I started the company
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but you know when I started the company and this project had over a million
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and this project had over a million
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and this project had over a million lines of code throughout all the
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lines of code throughout all the
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lines of code throughout all the different projects um you know when I
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different projects um you know when I
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different projects um you know when I started the company there were zero unit
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started the company there were zero unit
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started the company there were zero unit tests when I left the company four and a
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tests when I left the company four and a
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tests when I left the company four and a half years later there were zero unit
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half years later there were zero unit
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half years later there were zero unit tests and you just don't do that for uh
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tests and you just don't do that for uh
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tests and you just don't do that for uh applications you're actually selling for
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applications you're actually selling for
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applications you're actually selling for uh many many
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uh many many
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uh many many years as crowd strike found out um as
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years as crowd strike found out um as
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years as crowd strike found out um as always I hope you will go to the voice
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always I hope you will go to the voice
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always I hope you will go to the voice of Slum dorg and help me help the kids
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of Slum dorg and help me help the kids
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of Slum dorg and help me help the kids from the slums in in Delhi India there's
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from the slums in in Delhi India there's
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from the slums in in Delhi India there's uh pictures and videos uh from the last
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uh pictures and videos uh from the last
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uh pictures and videos uh from the last time I visited uh I really miss uh
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time I visited uh I really miss uh
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time I visited uh I really miss uh hanging out with Dave and Chandy there
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hanging out with Dave and Chandy there
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hanging out with Dave and Chandy there uh pictured in that picture right there
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uh pictured in that picture right there
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uh pictured in that picture right there uh they're great people and they do a
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uh they're great people and they do a
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uh they're great people and they do a great great great thing and you can take
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great great great thing and you can take
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great great great thing and you can take it from me
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it from me
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it from me they not only need your uh money but
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they not only need your uh money but
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they not only need your uh money but they really do put it to good use um not
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they really do put it to good use um not
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they really do put it to good use um not only clothing but teaching the kids
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only clothing but teaching the kids
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only clothing but teaching the kids getting them out of the slums in Delhi
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getting them out of the slums in Delhi
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getting them out of the slums in Delhi and uh all kinds of positive things and
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and uh all kinds of positive things and
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and uh all kinds of positive things and so whatever you can can donate I hope
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so whatever you can can donate I hope
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so whatever you can can donate I hope you go donate even if it's five bucks or
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you go donate even if it's five bucks or
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you go donate even if it's five bucks or more you know soft software Engineers
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more you know soft software Engineers
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more you know soft software Engineers most of us have the ability to uh help
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most of us have the ability to uh help
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most of us have the ability to uh help out others and so um I hope you'll go do
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out others and so um I hope you'll go do
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out others and so um I hope you'll go do that and and help me help the kids uh
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that and and help me help the kids uh
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that and and help me help the kids uh from the
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from the
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from the there all right the next episode which
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there all right the next episode which
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there all right the next episode which will be the last for season 4 uh will be
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will be the last for season 4 uh will be
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will be the last for season 4 uh will be the panel show wisdom From The Trenches
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the panel show wisdom From The Trenches
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the panel show wisdom From The Trenches navigating career longevity and software
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navigating career longevity and software
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navigating career longevity and software engineering as I just uh talked about at
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engineering as I just uh talked about at
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engineering as I just uh talked about at the beginning of the show I have five um
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the beginning of the show I have five um
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the beginning of the show I have five um experts coming on all of them I really
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experts coming on all of them I really
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experts coming on all of them I really like and and a few of them I've known
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like and and a few of them I've known
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like and and a few of them I've known for a really long time so I'm really
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for a really long time so I'm really
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for a really long time so I'm really looking forward to the show I've been
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looking forward to the show I've been
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looking forward to the show I've been looking forward to it uh for at least 6
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looking forward to it uh for at least 6
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looking forward to it uh for at least 6 months I think
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months I think
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months I think and um so I hope you'll join us but
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and um so I hope you'll join us but
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and um so I hope you'll join us but please please join us live I know it
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please please join us live I know it
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please please join us live I know it might not be the most ideal time but you
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might not be the most ideal time but you
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might not be the most ideal time but you know this will be the opportunity for
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know this will be the opportunity for
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know this will be the opportunity for you to ask these experts uh questions
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you to ask these experts uh questions
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you to ask these experts uh questions especially if you're just starting out
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especially if you're just starting out
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especially if you're just starting out in this career on how to have a long a
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in this career on how to have a long a
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in this career on how to have a long a fruitful career and free from as much
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fruitful career and free from as much
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fruitful career and free from as much struggles as I'm going through right now
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struggles as I'm going through right now
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struggles as I'm going through right now so um please please join us for that
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so um please please join us for that
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so um please please join us for that show as always I hope you will go help
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show as always I hope you will go help
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show as always I hope you will go help your fellow Human by go donating some
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your fellow Human by go donating some
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your fellow Human by go donating some blood this weekend um don't wait do it
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blood this weekend um don't wait do it
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blood this weekend um don't wait do it now if you unless you have medical
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now if you unless you have medical
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now if you unless you have medical condition go donate blood because uh you
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condition go donate blood because uh you
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condition go donate blood because uh you might need it someday and so you need to
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might need it someday and so you need to
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might need it someday and so you need to bank up that Karma and uh speak about
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bank up that Karma and uh speak about
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bank up that Karma and uh speak about donating blood uh here's a picture of
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donating blood uh here's a picture of
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donating blood uh here's a picture of myself donating last Sunday um the
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myself donating last Sunday um the
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myself donating last Sunday um the reason I took this picture I don't like
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reason I took this picture I don't like
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reason I took this picture I don't like taking pictures of myself very much is
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taking pictures of myself very much is
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taking pictures of myself very much is because I hit 20 gallons of uh total
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because I hit 20 gallons of uh total
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because I hit 20 gallons of uh total donations uh last Sunday uh it's a big
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donations uh last Sunday uh it's a big
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donations uh last Sunday uh it's a big milestone uh not only for myself but
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milestone uh not only for myself but
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milestone uh not only for myself but also for the blood bank they're sending
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also for the blood bank they're sending
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also for the blood bank they're sending me a special uh fleece jacket to uh
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me a special uh fleece jacket to uh
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me a special uh fleece jacket to uh celebrate uh but there's me sitting on a
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celebrate uh but there's me sitting on a
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celebrate uh but there's me sitting on a machine for two hours uh donating
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machine for two hours uh donating
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machine for two hours uh donating platelets and plasma that helps many
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platelets and plasma that helps many
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platelets and plasma that helps many many people just with one donation if
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many people just with one donation if
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many people just with one donation if you donate just red blood cells that
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you donate just red blood cells that
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you donate just red blood cells that will help up to three people just one
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will help up to three people just one
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will help up to three people just one donation and so I hope you'll go donate
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donation and so I hope you'll go donate
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donation and so I hope you'll go donate because uh like I said you might need it
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because uh like I said you might need it
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because uh like I said you might need it someday but I I can tell you every time
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someday but I I can tell you every time
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someday but I I can tell you every time I get off that machine uh sitting there
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I get off that machine uh sitting there
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I get off that machine uh sitting there for two hours I feel good that I've been
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for two hours I feel good that I've been
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for two hours I feel good that I've been able to help uh one of my fellow humans
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able to help uh one of my fellow humans
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able to help uh one of my fellow humans and so I hope you go do that with that
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and so I hope you go do that with that
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and so I hope you go do that with that uh thanks a lot for watching um this was
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uh thanks a lot for watching um this was
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uh thanks a lot for watching um this was a great episode if you have any
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a great episode if you have any
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a great episode if you have any questions or comments about the show uh
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questions or comments about the show uh
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questions or comments about the show uh please please email me at ddave live.com
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please please email me at ddave live.com
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please please email me at ddave live.com and with that I'll see you on September
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and with that I'll see you on September
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and with that I'll see you on September 7th
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